Chris Rhines
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Bubba, you're making a lot of assertions in this thread, but not providing a lot of data.Um, no. Not remotely the same thing.
Why is it 'not remotely the same thing?'
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Bubba, you're making a lot of assertions in this thread, but not providing a lot of data.Um, no. Not remotely the same thing.
This works just fine....
A) You're on a range so dressed for it.Bubba, you're making a lot of assertions in this thread, but not providing a lot of data.
Why is it 'not remotely the same thing?'
Posted by Bubba613: A) You're on a range so dressed for it.
B) You are simply doing a reload, not trying to figure out why the darned gun isnt working. This is after you realize the darn gun isn't working.
C) You know in your mind what's going to happen. So prepared for it.
D) There is no one shooting at you.
So drills involving mag changes really aren't the same as sudden failures in gun fights. However much you might want to think so.
I believe an extra magazine IS necessary, even when I CCW a Glock 19. I’m going to do everything possible to ensure my success in winning a deadly confrontation - and it may require a spare magazine.
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Diagnostic techniques are slow because the shooter must transition through the OODA Loop in sequential order. The shooter first Observes the pistol didn’t fire when he pressed the trigger. Then he has to Orient to the situation – inspect the pistol to determine the type of failure and Decide what action to perform to clear the stoppage, and then Act to implement the decision.
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I use a non-diagnostic technique which short circuits the OODA Loop to “Observe-Act”
When the pistol fails to fire then Tap, Roll & Rack is my immediate action. It takes about a second to perform.
If Tap, Roll and Rack fails to get the pistol running then I have a decision to make: react or reload? Depending on the situation it may be more important to react to the danger to keep from being shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, stomped, etc., before I have the opportunity to perform a Combat Reload.
Performing Tap, Roll and Rack doesn’t divert my attention from the external problem (the bad guy who’s trying to harm me) to deal with an internal problem (my gun stopped firing). Tap, Roll & Rack is performed automatically. If it doesn’t get the gun running then my mind is free to decide what to do next – react or reload. Reacting to danger may be more important than getting my gun running. (The first rule of a gunfight is - Don’t get shot. The second rule of a gunfight is - If you do get shot, drive-on and don’t give up.)
If Tap, Roll & Rack failed to get the gun running, then when time and conditions permit, I attempt to perform a Combat Reload (because I’m more likely to have emptied the magazine than to have encountered a doublefeed). ......
I don’t care what caused the gun to stop firing. I just progress sequentially through a series of immediate actions until I get the gun running. If “A” doesn’t work then I perform “B”. If “B” doesn’t work then I perform “C”. There’s no diagnosing or thinking required. My mind is free to deal with the external tactical problem while I’m working the get the gun back up and running.
A = Tap, Roll & Rack
B = React/Reload
C = Clear the doublefeed and complete the Combat Reload
So drills involving mag changes really aren't the same as sudden failures in gun fights. However much you might want to think so.
Always carry - A pro carries everywhere, all the time, because he can’t know in advance when he’ll need that gun. The same is true for the concealed carry permit holder. Always carry wherever it is legal to do so. You may need to experiment with different guns or holsters until you find the combination that is comfortable enough to carry all day, every day. A gun left at home does you no good when you are faced with an attacker in public.
Not to me, and not to Shawn, and not to many who train others.Posted by Bubba613: This post [(Shawn Dodson's)]supports my point ("An extra mag is not necessary...Therefore advising to carry one, esp for the reasons cited, is poor advice"), not refutes it.
That is if the magazine does not fall free on its own.He says himself he goes through standard clearance drills, starting with tap rack. All of that is going to take 8 seconds.
Having to draw and fire indicates a very dangerous situation, and if the firearm should malfunction or if one were to fire the entire magazine load, the danger would become much more serious.With a gunfight typically over in 5 seconds getting the new mag will take the rest of someone's life.
That is if the magazine does not fall free on its own.
A complete and thorough answer. You have no information that I need.Bubba613 said:Tsk tsk.
i have taught myself, when doing action drills, to react to any cessation of function by reloading and working the slide by hand. I skip the tap-rack-bang and go straight for the reload.
I did back it up. Recognizing a failure, diagnosing it, digging out the mag and changing it is all going to take 8 seconds. Minimum.
I would also recommend that you tuck the mag into a pocket rather than dropping it. That way, if there are rounds left in it, they can be used if you should happen to run dry on the second mag.
Always carry - A pro carries everywhere, all the time, because he can’t know in advance when he’ll need that gun.