MBC 9mm 125 gr CONE

I use them and have good luck with both them and the 125 gr SWC.

I use all three of Missouri 125 gr 9mm bullets: RN, CN and SWC.

They all feed/chamber reliably in G17 and also with Lone Wolf conversion barrels in G22/G27 using the following OALs (115 gr FMJ at left for reference):

I've also had good results with the MBC 125 gr TC (actually listed as a 38 super bullet) and the 147 gr FP

BDS, that 125 rn looks like a baby version of my 45acp with missouri bullet softballs.

Ya"ll think there is a crimp issue here? Too tight ? mb 125rn small ball..

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Something like that.. what did you do to it? A Lee FCD? wow

Certaindeaf said:

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Something like that.. what did you do to it? A Lee FCD? wow

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Yup.... The famous FCD

area51 said:

Yup.... The famous FCD

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Did you measure the diameter of those bullets before seating them? Either those bullets are oversized, or the carbide ring in your FCD is the wrong size. Either way, sumpn' ain't right.

Oldreloader, Where are you seating the IDP#6, TCFP to? I am experimenting with them for 38 Super, using HP38. I have been up and down and am now seating at the bottom of the crimp groove. The owner at MBC said he didn't load them and couldn't give me any recommendations.

area51, here are pulled bullets loaded with .376-.377" taper crimp. And no, I do not use FCD with semi-auto lead loads.

My adjustment of the fcd was way off ( operator error ) .... I corrected it and a new specimen is attached.

Crap... I had to pull about 50 bullets which were over crimped...

I use all three of Missouri 125 gr 9mm bullets: RN, CN and SWC.

They all feed/chamber reliably in G17 and also with Lone Wolf conversion barrels in G22/G27 using the following OALs (115 gr FMJ at left for reference):

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Which one of them you like the best BDS ?

area51 said:

My adjustment of the fcd was way off ( operator error ) .... I corrected it and a new specimen is attached.

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Looks much better now!

Which one of them you like the best?

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RN (SmallBall).

area51, here are pulled bullets loaded with .376-.377" taper crimp. And no, I do not use FCD with semi-auto lead loads.

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I think I'll give up on the FCD. It seems the carbide die is eating away at the brass neck when crimping. I am not saying it;s bad and I don;t want to start another debate hre but it's not for me. I'll stick with my rcbs 3 set dies....
On a different note BDS, what 45 acp 38 spcl are your fav from mb ?

bds: your L-RN and L-SWC both look to be seated a little deeper than I would seat them. Does your barrel has be very short throat?
The conical hearkens back to the old Lyman 120gn conical that was de rigueur back in the '60s and '70s.
Great feeding, poor accuracy--back then, a 4" group at 25 yds with any 9x19 was some darn fine shooting. Back then, best accuracy was with 0.357" JHPs made for .38 Specials (most had exposed lead on the nose of the bullet) or 0.357-0.358" cast bullets--particularly SWC. Most 9x19 barrels had a groove diameter of 0.356-0.362", so lead bullets were often NOT useful at all.

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Oldreloader, Where are you seating the IDP#6, TCFP to? I am experimenting with them for 38 Super, using HP38. I have been up and down and am now seating at the bottom of the crimp groove. The owner at MBC said he didn't load them and couldn't give me any recommendations.

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For my 9 MM I seat to the bottom of the crimp grove

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bds: your L-RN and L-SWC both look to be seated a little deeper than I would seat them.

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Due to the more rounded nose profile of SmallBall that extends the length of the bearing surface of the bullet base, 1.125" OAL will hit the start of rifling in the Lone Wolf barrels. I can use up to 1.100" as Max OAL but 1.080" is my Ideal OAL that reliably feed/chamber in various pistols I load for (family, friends, coworkers, neighbors who join me to the range). The SWC bullet can be seated to longer Max OAL but once again, it's the reliable feeding/chambering that dictated the Ideal OAL that's shorter than the Max OAL.

Depending on the barrel/ramp/leade/start of rifling of your pistol, the OAL used will vary.

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BDS, what 45 acp 38 spcl are your fav from mb?

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For 45ACP, it's the 200 gr SWC in 12 BHN (Bullseye #1). I like the 18 BHN IDP #1 also but the softer 12 BHN bullet allows me to use lighter target loads (like 5.0 gr of W231/HP-38 and even lighter 4.0 gr of Promo) and the bullet base still deforms/obturates well to produce accurate shot groups without leading in Sig 1911 and M&P45. My PT145 barrel is oversized like .456" and the 18 BHN bullet will produce erratic shot groups and leading but the 12 BHN bullet will expand enough to produce accurate shot groups.

For .38 Special, 158 gr SWC in 12 BHN (.38 Match) with 4.0 gr of W231/HP-38 or 3.0 gr of Promo/Bullseye.

area51 said:

I think I'll give up on the FCD. It seems the carbide die is eating away at the brass neck when crimping. I am not saying it;s bad and I don;t want to start another debate hre but it's not for me. I'll stick with my rcbs 3 set dies....
On a different note BDS, what 45 acp 38 spcl are your fav from mb ?

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If you want to keep seating and crimping in separate steps, and want to keep that die rather than sell it, you can punch the carbide sizing ring out and use it as a regular taper crimp die. I did that to my 45 Auto FCD, because it was swaging the cast bullets more than I would have liked. I used a 3/8" socket extension for the 45 and hammered it out from the top, you might need something different for the 9mm. The ring in the 45 die popped out with two whacks, the one I knocked out of my 44 spl/mag FCD fought me the whole way.

I used to shoot those 125gr MBC cone(and the 147gr)and they shot really nice, so I bought a Lyman 120gr taper point for casting my own. My 9's are liking them, especially my Berettas. I also tried some swc in the 9's with equally good accuracy.For feeding the cone nose is going to be more of a given good one, swc can be tricky in some guns so I prefer the cones except where scoring is done, then the swc come out.
For 45, I also shoot 200gr swc over HP-38, a combo that is hard to beat. Due to feed ramp damage I cast mine now with more Linotype and tin, then water drop to get 18 to 21ish bhn and size them .001-.002 over so no leading issues. If not for the need to keep the noses in good shape(and my accuracy, I gained points when I went with the harder alloy) I wouldn't need them that hard for the acp.

If you want to keep seating and crimping in separate steps, and want to keep that die rather than sell it, you can punch the carbide sizing ring out and use it as a regular taper crimp die. I did that to my 45 Auto FCD, because it was swaging the cast bullets more than I would have liked. I used a 3/8" socket extension for the 45 and hammered it out from the top, you might need something different for the 9mm. The ring in the 45 die popped out with two whacks, the one I knocked out of my 44 spl/mag FCD fought me the whole way.

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Good suggestion. I'll try it out. Did you ever get it out of the 44 ?

For 45ACP, it's the 200 gr SWC in 12 BHN (Bullseye #1). I like the 18 BHN IDP #1 also but the softer 12 BHN bullet allows me to use lighter target loads (like 5.0 gr of W231/HP-38 and even lighter 4.0 gr of Promo) and the bullet base still deforms/obturates well to produce accurate shot groups without leading in Sig 1911 and M&P45. My PT145 barrel is oversized like .456" and the 18 BHN bullet will produce erratic shot groups and leading but the 12 BHN bullet will expand enough to produce accurate shot groups.

For .38 Special, 158 gr SWC in 12 BHN (.38 Match) with 4.0 gr of W231/HP-38 or 3.0 gr of Promo/Bullseye.

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Thanks for the info. I'll give those a shot.