Citizen Makes 165yd Revolver Shot to Save Cop From Ambush

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If you put on one a those hats, your dna is transformed into John Wayne stock. The belt buckle, for heavens sake, is a crazy stabilization device from the future. True story.
Training, they don't need no steenking training!
 
ExTank said:
I'd bet dollars to donuts the man is a combat vet; by age, I'd guess Vietnam.

I'd be his neighbor anytime.
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He says in the video that he's never been involved in anything like this situation.
 
Double Naught Spy,

I'm having trouble understanding your posts. On one hand, you join in amongst the choir here to call Mr. Stacy a hero, but seem to try to find and inject as much fault with the fellow as you can. Even to go as far as to suggest the possibility that he might have been in cahoots with the
perp. (I'm sure he and the perp had advanced plans to murder the neighbors over some errant dog poop.) Or, as in you last post, you noted that our overweight hero might be in need of $100'w worth of donuts after such a scare.

As to pointing out the unlikely situatuaion that he shot at the perp at 165 yards.....who cares. He still showed amazing courage and control. Even if it was 50 yards. Taking shots at a known killer (who, BTW, was in possesion of superior firepower) at that close of a range is even more of a
testiment to his courage. He took a pistol to a rifle fight and didn't think twice.

To me, it appears that Mr. Stacy was being iterviewed at the police station right after the ordeal.As a shooter, the word "yards" may have been a nervous error of the tongue. Most average folk are nervous in front of TV cameras. Also, if the perp's autopsy reveals no pistol slugs in the body, he still distracted the guy so the cop could take care of business. I'm just glad he was more pistol savvy than camera savvy. I am grateful for his actions.
It seems his community and it's officers are too.
 
It struck me as odd to come up with 165 of any measure, I guess I assumed someone had measured the distance at the scene to come up with that rather than a more generic measurement of 150'/50yds. I estimate in more round numbers, if I have a range finder then I would throw out the more exact number. I think there was a measurement made but yds and feet may have been transposed in the excitement.
 
Is it possible someone said 50 yards, or about 165 feet, just guesstamating. That way they both kind of make sense. 165 yards is an awfull long way for the bad guy to be shooting at the cop from, it would have been easier to just run away if he was that far in a residential setting. Aboyt 500 feet. that's like 10 homes where I live, i'll bet it was more like 50 yards, 150- 160 feet, people say a lot of things when nervous, plus unless he was a semi pro, that is an awfull long way to hit 5 out of 5. i could see 1 or 2, but at his age with that distance being a "house gun", he wasn't carrying, so may not have been an avid shooter.
 
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He had the courage to come to the aid of an officer under fire and the ability to do so. It is one thing to hit a metallic ram at 200 yards with a highly specialized handgun.
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Nope. I shot the Metallic Silhouette course with my out-of-the-box 6" Smith 19 in the "Factory Class," no modifications allowed. As I said, I hit the rams fairly consistently with mine (200 M, 220 yards), standing, no rest, two-handed hold. Just takes practice and Kentucky Elevationage.

And I was by no means the only one in the "Factory" matches who could do this.

This, in talking about long range pistoleering, regardless of the actual distance involved in the actual incident.

I'm not being a snotnose, just commenting that that kind of shooting at the originally-quoted range of 165 yards is not as amazing as some think.

Terry, 230RN
 
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Double Naught Spy,

I'm having trouble understanding your posts. On one hand, you join in amongst the choir here to call Mr. Stacy a hero, but seem to try to find and inject as much fault with the fellow as you can. Even to go as far as to suggest the possibility that he might have been in cahoots with the
perp. (I'm sure he and the perp had advanced plans to murder the neighbors over some errant dog poop.) Or, as in you last post, you noted that our overweight hero might be in need of $100'w worth of donuts after such a scare.

As to pointing out the unlikely situatuaion that he shot at the perp at 165 yards.....who cares. He still showed amazing courage and control. Even if it was 50 yards. Taking shots at a known killer (who, BTW, was in possesion of superior firepower) at that close of a range is even more of a
testiment to his courage. He took a pistol to a rifle fight and didn't think twice.

To me, it appears that Mr. Stacy was being iterviewed at the police station right after the ordeal.As a shooter, the word "yards" may have been a nervous error of the tongue. Most average folk are nervous in front of TV cameras. Also, if the perp's autopsy reveals no pistol slugs in the body, he still distracted the guy so the cop could take care of business. I'm just glad he was more pistol savvy than camera savvy. I am grateful for his actions.
It seems his community and it's officers are too.
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Yep....!
 
Tinker said:
To me, it appears that Mr. Stacy was being iterviewed at the police station right after the ordeal.As a shooter, the word "yards" may have been a nervous error of the tongue. Most average folk are nervous in front of TV cameras.
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I agree...people at the indoor range here say they shot at 50 yards instead of 50 feet all the time.

i also hunt a lot...and you should hear the range estimation errors from new hunters.

Bottom line is this is a solid dude. He stepped up and risked his own life to save another.
 
Double Naught Spy,

I'm having trouble understanding your posts. On one hand, you join in amongst the choir here to call Mr. Stacy a hero, but seem to try to find and inject as much fault with the fellow as you can. Even to go as far as to suggest the possibility that he might have been in cahoots with the
perp. (I'm sure he and the perp had advanced plans to murder the neighbors over some errant dog poop.) Or, as in you last post, you noted that our overweight hero might be in need of $100'w worth of donuts after such a scare.
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Wow, you really didn't read this thread very well, did you?

Where did I suggest he might be in cahoots with the shooter? I never suggested that at all. gym didn't understand why the hero would be handcuffed and I simply explained a simple reason why the cops would do it, which would be out of fear that he might have been involved. I never suggested or intimated that he was involved and have noted several times that he is a hero for his actions.

I also never suggested he would get $100 worth of donuts in my last post or call him overweight in that post. Here is the post. Try reading it again....
Woohoo! $100 for me.

When I get my check, I will it forward and see that Vic Stacy gets plenty of Shipley Donuts.
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As to pointing out the unlikely situatuaion that he shot at the perp at 165 yards.....who cares.
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Apparently, a lot of people do. It was important enough to Wayne Bartholomew to post the apparent errant information in the thread's title. It is important enough to comment on that aspect specifically.

Probably, the reason I care about the correct information is because it becomes really sad when people start coming up with the legends or myths about what happened based incorrectly on wrong information, like you who said...

He took a pistol to a rifle fight and didn't think twice.
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What do you have to fear from Stacy's account that you would cover it up with creative modifications of your own? Is there some ugly aspect you fear might come out?

You seem to be commenting on his courage based on his video statement. It does not appear to be that you are commented on his logic rationalization for weapon selection for the conflict. So you are commenting on the courage. Go back and listen to Vic Stacy again. He did think twice. He saw conner setting up to ambush the cop but he didn't call 911 or grab his gun at that point, but he knew what was happening given what he saw Conner doing. He saw Conner "fixin' to cut down on him {the responding officer}" and thought "I may have to get in on it." So despite knowing the officer was being targeted by Conner, Stacy questioned his need to help.

After Conner opened up on the officer, Stacy thought the officer might get taken out if he didn't help. So Stacy watches the cop and Conner exchange shots, by this time the officer has retrieved his AR15 and is using it, and Conner reasons that he is "fixin' to put one on him {Conner} since the cop isn't being effective with his AR15. Conner started shooting at the cop as soon as the cop got out of his car and he could see the whole thing going on, but he didn't fire yet. Conner had fired several shots by this time as had the cop. It was a gun battle and Stacy saw it from the point where Conner was setting up on the cop arriving.

So yeah, Stacy thought twice. In fact, he was doing a lot of thinkng and evaulating the situation such that he wasn't going to act unless the cop getting killed was aparently very likely to happen. He watched the whole thing unfold and knew what was going on before deciding to respond and he decided not to act intiially despite seeing the officer was going to get ambushed. Notice that Stacy didn't say he thought he should call 911 or call out a warning to the officer. He saw the officer was going to get ambushed and he watched to see if he should respond. He could have helped sooner based on his story.

So don't make up stuff that didn't happen to overhype what the Stacy did. He obviously did think twice and for the most part, that was prudent...in terms of using lethal force, but he obviously could have done other things sooner that might have been beneficial, but he didn't.
 
No doubt GSPN, he did a hell of a job. s you said people are always messing up yards with feet, when telling stories about distance. I can see him making the shot if it were yards, but 5 out of 5 under preassure is a tough call even for a pro. He more than did the right thing, and should get the highest award possible for his heroism. "not that he cares" I am sure his reward came from the fact that he saved his fellow man. But we will see how the distance thing shakes out just for curiosity sake. Meanwhile another shooting a few hours ago in a temple in Wisconsi, quick action seems to have kept down the possible toll to 7 dead and 3 wounded, in the middle of a service. He would have had hundreds of targets to continue, had it not been for the officer who took him down. we all have to watch out for each other in this time of crises.
 
Meanwhile another shooting a few hours ago in a temple in Wisconsi, quick action seems to have kept down the possible toll to 7 dead and 3 wounded, in the middle of a service. He would have had hundreds of targets to continue, had it not been for the officer who took him down. we all have to watch out for each other in this time of crises.
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Gunman killed by the cops outside of the temple, apparently while leaving, so not trying to kill hundreds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57486965/shooting-at-sikh-temple-in-wis-at-least-7-dead/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html

Given your outrage, gym, of Stacy being handcuffed, why should heavily armed officers be searching the temple hours later if there was only one gunman? How could officers know what Stacy's roll truly was from the fog of battle? Simple. They are being thorough and covering their bases.
 
"(I'm sure he and the perp had advanced plans to murder the neighbors over some errant dog poop.) "

Sheesh. How much stuff are you going to make up out of thin air in just one post?

Somebody put this thread out of its misery.

John
 
Spy , I can't control what news servises in different states report. That's not what comcast said either. There is a big difference between a man aiding an officer, and a killer shooting up a house of worship, I think you know that. They didn't know if there were more than one gunmen from news reports in FL. I don't see your point unless it's personnel.
Also pulling ones hands behind their back, "as in my case" could cause permanent damage, because of multiple broken disks" When un necessary force is used it's always an issue. Maybe not to you, but they just as easily could have cuffed him in the front.
 
gym, it is my understanding that nothing is assumed on a professional or even common sense level. what were you trying to get at?
 
CD, that was in response to another members comment on my post, nothing to do with the actual post other than to clear up a difference of opinion, between myself and another member, who apparantlly didn't like my comment.
 
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I hear you, Brother. I was essentially trying to gap some something and have essentially failed. But that's the way it goes.
Just please know that certain things must be done to help assure going home on a given night. Do not assume. You can not assume, ever.
 
Certaindeaf said:
So what's that supposed to mean?

Some guy was flailing lead from over there so let's just turn our backs on it!
High-five!

uh, no
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Expressing astonishment or admiration.

that was my first reaction when I watched the video.

the whole situation, wow. The fact he possibly saved the officers life, while endangering his own, & top top it off hit the the person 3 times with a revolver from about 165 yards. I couldn't make that shot with a handgun.

So what's your comment suppose to mean? if it's directed towards me I do not believe I ever said anything of the sort...so I don't know why you would assume something like that, after just posting "Do not assume. You can not assume, ever."

just sayin'
 
DNS,

Well, in your post to gym in post #140 (when you were explaining the reason for cuffing)
and in post #155 (donut comment) you do have plausible deniability from your wording.
Guess I gotta give you that, technically. Those just read like one of those loaded "So, when did you stop
beating your wife?" lines to me.

What do you have to fear from Stacy's account that you would cover it up with creative modifications
of your own? Is there some ugly aspect you fear might come out?
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Fear of what? You've really lost me with that one. I've only seen the stuff that was posted here on
the forum and included links and had no input to what transpired in Early, Tx. whatsoever.

Guess I'm just a trusting sort and tend to take folks at face value and thier word. I watched his and the police
comments. I gathered he heard shooting and retrieved his pistol to investigate. He heard sirens about same time the perp did.
He saw the perp hide and set up behind a tree, then he aided the officer when he figured the perp
was going to shoot the officer. He helped the officer by firing at the perp. One or both good guys stopped the
bad guy.

So don't make up stuff that didn't happen to overhype what the Stacy did. He obviously did think twice and for
the most part, that was prudent...in terms of using lethal force, but he obviously could have done other things
sooner that might have been beneficial, but he didn't.
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My comment about not him not thinking twice.....
The police said Mr. Stacy aided the officer with his firing on the perp.
Police and Stacy both said the perp was armed with a rifle. I read that as if Mr. Stacy knowingly shot his pistol at a man who had a rifle......simple as that. That takes some stones to do. Especially if, in fact, he was actually only 165 feet away.

As to what Mr. Stacy could/would/should have done.....
Who knows?

Didn't call 911....
Maybe he had no phone handy?

Didn't grab a rifle....
Maybe he didn't have one? Whatever.

I'm not going to loose any sleep wondering why Mr. Stacy didn't call
you for instructions on how to handle this situation before he decided to go outside when he heard shooting. Bet he isn't either. I sleep better knowing
there are folks like him if what he and the Early police say is true.
 
165 Feet

I do believe we've extracted all the salient facts from this event.

Some guy saw a shooting go down, grabbed his gun, and made a long shot -- several actually -- over a distance normally reserved for competitive shooting and hunting, used his revolver effectively and helped prevent probable injury to, or even the death of, a responding law enforcement officer.

Kudos.

Excellent work.

165 yards? Probably not.

165 feet? Very likely, and supported by statements made by the local sheriff (estimating the shot at maybe 50 yards, or 150 feet).

He did good. He was commended by the local LEOs.

A couple of innocents and their dogs were the primary casualties, and our hero's actions kept the body count to a minimum.

It was a good shoot. It was exemplary shooting.

Add this to your scrap book of "reasons to be armed."

Thank you all for a (mostly) civil discussion and for identifying the factual foundations for the story.

Putting this one to bed now.

 
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