Souped up Ruger 10/22 or CZ 452 Lux

i had a savage mkII, and i'll likely not own another. shot so high that savage sent me another front post, which still didn't fix the problem. not confidence inspiring when you can't get a new rife sighted in with proper sight picture. sold it to a friend who mounted a scope and we're both happy.

i may pick up a 10/22 for a plinker, but i can't see dropping the coin on them that some do.

I had a 10/22 with a GM barrel, Hogue stock, and a VQ trigger. I got my CZ-452, and promptly sold the GM barrel, Hogue stock, and put the original parts back on the 10/22. It's now a nice, little plinking rifle to shoot at cans with. Which is what they were designed for in the first place. The CZ kicks the 10/22 down the street.

I do just fine with my basically stock 10/22, the only addition being a Weaver scope that I mounted on it years ago. So as per the OP, if I had the money to spend on modifying the Ruger for greater accuracy or buying a CZ 452, I would buy the CZ. A good friend of mine has a CZ 452 American and it's one very well built and amazingly accurate rifle. It would definitely be my bolt gun of choice in a .22LR.

i had a savage mkII, and i'll likely not own another. shot so high that savage sent me another front post, which still didn't fix the problem. not confidence inspiring when you can't get a new rife sighted in with proper sight picture. sold it to a friend who mounted a scope and we're both happy.

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That's atypical, but I can just about guarantee that they would make it right if it was messed up. I know it's a pain to have to send it back, but I have done so (once for my
93R17-TR, a similar rifle, which came back with the problem resolved and with a free magazine for my trouble) and they have exhibited great service.

OTOH they have never had the best factory-installed iron sights (save for the FVT model and similar, which are quite good), so I think a scope or aftermarket sights is the best option.

The Cz. Don't look back.

maverick223, i totally agree. savage treated me well over the phone and were very accommodating. i have no doubt that they would've made it right. but in this particular case, given the overall cheap feel of the rifle to begin with, i decided to cut my losses and move on. i gave my friend a good deal, and he loves the rifle. had i liked it more, i would've taken the time to see what could be done. i feel a bit jaded now, being spoiled by the quality of my cz, but savage does make some good shooters.

viking499 said:

I own both. If I want an accurate bolt gun, I choose the CZ. If I want a semi, I go with the Ruger.

I shoot the CZ more than anything else.

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What about the CZ 512 in semi-auto? Anyone have any experience with it? I'm looking for an auto, preferably in 22 MAG, but might have to settle for a 22LR.......

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CZ 452. I've owned scads of different 22 rifles including a couple of 10/22s and the 452 is the only one that's an absolute keeper.

maverick223, i totally agree. savage treated me well over the phone and were very accommodating. i have no doubt that they would've made it right. but in this particular case, given the overall cheap feel of the rifle to begin with, i decided to cut my losses and move on.

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Fair enough. While I don't think the barreled action has a cheap feel, the synthetic stocks certainly do (even the Accustock), which is why I opted for one of the laminated wood versions (which cost a fair bit more for little performance gain).

The Savage rimfire bolts certainly do not have a cheap feeling. The synthetic stocks do but it ends there and they are WAY TOO easily replaced. Of course, some folks can't see past such things.

they sure are cheaper feelng compared to my cz. but then perhaps you're not able to discern quality as well as some of us.

No doubt the Savage synthetic stock is cheap and way too flexible but that's an easily corrected problem. The CZ's are definitely a more refined design, whereas the Savage guns are built like rimfires are typically built. This is not to condemn them because they are built very similarly to the Remington 541 and that is a well respected rifle. Mine is an excellent shooter and is definitely a favorite. The CZ's also cost a bit more, with the synthetic stocked MKII's going for as little as $250. That said, my CZ does not shoot any better than my laminated thumbhole MKII. Which I setup with a 25MOA canted scope mount, Bushnell Elite 10x and a Rifle Basix trigger for shooting at 250yds. All three are good options and it's hard to go wrong with any of them.

Proven, if you want to have a serious discussion about quality, I'll happily oblige but I'm afraid you don't have a broad enough frame of reference. You wanna have a real adult discussion or take pot shots like we're in elementary school?

Pot shots like elementary school is something you seem to know quite well. Clearly you're opinion is not only the only valid one in your eyes, but you seem to equate it to fact. Serious discussions can't be had with fellas that know it all like you, as you keep proving in every thread where someone disagrees with you.

If you don't agree with my opinion on quality, so be it. To each his own.

My opinion is that the CZ appears to be a better made rifle.

Soup up the 10/22 any day.

Jim

For the 10/22 customizers out there, what about the Magnum Research rimfire rifles?

I've fired a few 10/22s (and even owned one once) but I have no experience with the Magnum Research rifle which appears to be based on the the Ruger 10/22.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-22LR-Ambidextrous-Thumbhole-Stock-Rifle.asp

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-22LR-Hogue-OverMolded-Rifle.asp

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-22LR-Tactical-Black-Rifle.asp

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firea...MR-Stainless-Steel-Hogue-OverMolded-Rifle.asp

etc., etc.

As far as I know the MRI rifles are very good right out of the box. I know the receivers are much better machined than Ruger's. I've been very tempted to get one of their .22Mag's.

Yes, a .22 Mag autoloading rifle could be extremely satisfying to own.

proven said:

Pot shots like elementary school is something you seem to know quite well. Clearly you're opinion is not only the only valid one in your eyes, but you seem to equate it to fact. Serious discussions can't be had with fellas that know it all like you, as you keep proving in every thread where someone disagrees with you.

If you don't agree with my opinion on quality, so be it. To each his own.

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You guys need to remember "attack the argument, not the arguer".

i don't see where any "attack" was made. mine was not the first snide comment made in this thread, so perhaps you should direct your's elsewhere.

proven said:

i don't see where any "attack" was made. mine was not the first snide comment made in this thread, so perhaps you should direct your's elsewhere.

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I direct where necessary. I hate seeing this stuff, we are supposed to be friends.

last i checked you aren't a mod. you want to make an across the board statement feel free, but directing it solely at me is out of line, and does nothing but further hijack the thread.

others seem to share the same opinion that i stated, and one person clearly has an issue with it.

For the OP: CZ is the hands down winner of this one. My personal experience: one 452, several 10/22s owned, none of which hold a candle to the CZ accuracy wise. But, alot depends on the shooting you plan on doing. For a run and gun squirrel rifle, a nice 10/22 is going to pay dividends with a faster rate of fire if needed, higher mag cap, and ease of loading (presuming you carry loaded spares). The CZ is the paper puncher, to me anyways.

I have both and there is no comparison on accuracy - the CZ hands down.

OK, lets swing the bile in a different direction. I am of the opinion that Ruger 77/22's are currently well overpriced but have owned 2 and they were my favorites. Shot someone else's old Kimber that took the cake.

I know that wasn't in the original post but if comparing apples to apples, it is the CZ 452 to the 77/22.