AR advice/help needed!! PLEASE!!!!

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Hmmm...it would be a hard call on this one as I also agree with the last two posts. I was actually fixing to come back to post that same info when I seen their's. It's a hard call and a hard case to prove for sure but I am thinking that perhaps a call from a lawyer might do the trick. I also see no harm in naming the ammo manufacturer and putting something like just check your ammo to be safe behind it as that is not necessarily slamming the manufacturer. if it was worded different it could be. its all in how things are said, but I see no problems with naming them and IMO, to me, it would be duty of mine to at least warn others to check their's. I could not sleep well at night if I did not at least do that but that is just me.
 
He doesn't need to name the ammo company. Be diligent, and check your own ammo you purchase if you are worried about the same thing happening.

IMO he needs to stop posting, contact a lawyer, and get legal guidance and not internet chit chat. Not being rude as I am giving the same arm chair advice.

Stuff like this makes me want to take a GO PRO everywhere with me. Just setup it up, and mount it on my head to be my back up eyes.
 
Ammo is factory remanufactured.
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"Remanufactured" is advertising talk for "reloaded by a stranger at low pay."

I have been in a commercial loader's shop and not all ammo is produced on industrial loaders with ample safety gear. They had a lot of Dillons for short runs.

At first I thought it was a double bullet load such as demolished a Cowboy shooter's gun a few years ago. But looking at the object that came out of the barrel, I am now in the sabotage camp.
 
Sabatoge that happened 10 yrs ago if you want to attribute it to the manufacturer but who had access to that box since it was loaded.
Bad deal but it's going nowhere.
 
I may speak with my attorney before I mention the name. I do feel I should let all know to be safe, but as Eb stated, check all brands. I too am concerned with all about the possibility of this happening again. No I don't have the receipt, but the gun shop is still in business. Not really worried about the company's lawyers. I trust the gun maker, have had other ARs from them and would buy again. I know it was the ammo, and I know it came from their box. They can deny making the round all they want, but I've read too many other incidents involving their brand today that are too familiar. No mysterious bullet yet, but a lot of other problems similar.
 
X I understand what you're saying. I know mfr, distributor, dealer, then me. Assuming the boxes came in sealed cases from mfr to dealer, and I know they were kept behind the counter at the gun shop. I have always kept my ammo locked up after bringing it home. Also, all I want is my gun repaired or replaced, which ever is the least cost for whoever picking up the tab. Of course it needs to be safe for years of shooting too.
 
I feel for ya man, that's what I would want too. Theres just a lot of history and your word against theirs plus they have had the gun and seen all your cards, I still think a lawyer will waste money you could spend putting a new rifle together but I might be wrong.
 
X-Rap,

So if I own a car lets say for 10 years, but something the manufacturer did caused a catastrophic failure it would be because of my doings for just having possession?
 
So if I own a car lets say for 10 years, but something the manufacturer did caused a catastrophic failure it would be because of my doings for just having possession?
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If you park a car for 19yrs and try to make a claim they will laugh at you. Just try and get warranty work outside of the warranty time frame for an example...

Product Liability has a statute of limitation in every state. almost all are under 6 yrs. Im no lawyer, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn, so I have no clue where this would fall in the eyes of the law.

Bottom line it sucks and no one was seriously hurt. The gun can be replaced human life cannot be.

The real lesson learned is never ever shoot someone elses reloads!!!
 
So if I own a car lets say for 10 years, but something the manufacturer did caused a catastrophic failure it would be because of my doings for just having possession?
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If you can prove that on anything that has set for 10 yrs good luck.
 
Project Eldest Son, anyone? Did they ever do that in NATO calibers? :uhoh:

BTW, that's not a "125gr" bullet, whatever the hell it is. The ammo guys cut off God knows how much off its back end (possibly the key to knowing what it is), so it was likely even heavier/longer. It's like some kind of head-spacing guage that is designed to slide back into the case as it's chambered, indicating land position. But you would never ram one of those down over powder unintentionally (or over RDX, for that matter. With something that big taking up all the case space, could you even compress in enough rifle powder to cause that kaboom?)

I hope the OP heals up well, and is eventually made whole. Hope the daughter (or shooter) isn't permenantly freaked out by this, either. I know I'd take a few weeks off of shooting.

TCB
 
WOOF! There's no doubt about this, unless the OP is messing with us which I greatly doubt. This is a case of malicious mischief and I would be very surprised if the ammo company didn't immediately recognize this. Legally that bullet could have been introduced at any point during the decade. Perhaps they didn't return the case to avoid it being identified as theirs. The only potential they would jump on this might be that they would be concerned about other bad cartridges is distribution, but they seem to have chosen avoidance. Something to consider in deciding if you should pursue this with an attorney is that there may be others still at risk. Perhaps this potential will gain you gratis representation. At the very least I would closely check all remaining cartridges. The loss of the upper is the very least of this matter. I'm so happy the OP and daughter are alright.
 
I know this isn't going to be a very popular opinion here, but it is possible that these guys get hit with this kind of thing frequently. They hear of situation, say yup, we'll replace it after we check it out. See something fishy and conclude that maybe the fella was screwing around and wants a new gun.

Most of us here are assuming you to be telling the truth and quite a few have opined that the ammo guy is up to something fishy.

If he receives this gun, with ammo that is 19 years old and finds some crazy piece in the barrel, he probably truly believes that this is not something his company did. The best thing we can come up with is a conspiratorial worker there. It's just as likely for him to believe that there is some guy who screwed up and wants somebody to pay for his gun. Enter the reloader.

I think this is really what's going on here. I'm not saying that you are at fault, only that he doesn't know you from Adam and finds that to be more likely than some angry employee.

As most others have said, glad that you and your daughter are safe. Legally, this would be a hard sell. Good luck with whatever you pursue.
 
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Craziest thing I've seen posted on a gun board.. and that's saying something.

I can't imagine ANY automated loading system passing that through. I say sabotage.
 
Dr. Rob subscribing to (what amounts to) a conspiracy theory, now there's something I never thought I'd see. :)

I completely agree. Sabotage.

If you'd bought that ammo at a gun show, I'd even say political sabotage. We had some sick bastards going around putting live rounds in guns at gun shows here in IL. One AD in southern Illinois, nothing damaged except a ceiling. Then awhile back a person was SHOT in the chest at the Bloomington gun show. (gun shopper broke a couple golden rules that day.. and the vendor should have been using chamber flags after the southern Illinois incident)

Anyway not to get too far off track here, but THAT picture above speaks a thousand words. SOMEONE put a big chunk of copper in to the casing.

I bet I couldn't even fit that long bugger on top of the case on my Dillon 650 (not enough room to line it up in the case mouth). Something like that would have to be loaded on a turret press or single stage. It just won't FIT in commercial loading gear, period. It'd jam up the works and stop the whole machine.

Which places this squarely in the range of sabotage.
 
;Trent, I'm in southern Illinois. I've been to a few of those.shows over the years! Mt. Vernon, Belleville and years ago when a. 45 went through a guys knee about 20 feet from me! You know the big ammo guys can't watch every box all the time. I've still been searching.for problems from same company and have found several....A lot more than I thought I would so I don't plan on shooting any more even if they would send me a case of.it! Seems like most stories re similar, yes its their fault until they get the ammo and or affected firearm then sorry not our problem!
 
I'm not say 'conspriacy' I'm say the odds of THAT getting into a 223/5.56 unintentionally are probably close to astronomical.

Which leads to the idea that it was intentional.
 
I sure wish you would tell us who it is.
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I don't get the secrecy either, but really why does it matter? Any company can have a disgruntled employee. If we are going with the sabatoge theory there isn't but so much that any company could have done about it.

Even at face value I don't blame the ammo company for their response. What would you do if you were the ammo company? From their perspective, what is more likely, that they loaded something that is physically impossible, 20 years ago, or that someone goofed a reload and is trying to screw them?

It sucks but some days you are the dog and some days the hydrant. If the ammo company gives you a new upper it is a gift from their perspective and they should be commended for it. At least no one was hurt.
 
^ agreed..

The only lesson here is never shoot someone else's reloads regardless if they came from a commercial source vs. individual.
 
There is nothing especially magic about a zero times fired case. Results would have been the same whether or not it was a reload.
 
Update...I received a box from the ammo company yesterday containing 200rds of their new .223 55gr fmj remanufactured ammo! Can't wait to take it out and shoot it....YEAH RIGHT!!!! I don't think so. Just spoke with them again just to let them know that I'm not just some guy that will quietly go away. I have done a lot of research since this incident occurred and found some very interesting reading on their company. He said he would talk to his owner and see what they wanted to do. He is supposed to call me back this week. Within 10 minutes he calls back and offers me $250 towards a new upper. I refused, reiterating the fact that my daughter's or my head could have been blown off and the fact I still can't hear worth a crap. Said he would talk to his owner again and return a call.
While waiting, my attorney friend's secretary called inquiring if I had heard anything and I filled her in. She said she would speak with my friend and let me know what he feels I should do. Now to fill everyone in a bit, his daughter is like my own and vice versa for my daughters with him. It wasn't 20 minutes later and the guy from the ammo company called stating they would buy me a new upper only after I returned all remnants of my firearm and all of the "bullet" and such...Now, here I am with basically what I wanted, but I don't really want to part with the scrap, nor this magical bullet. I told him I would have to get back to him as all of the parts, bullets and box of empties with same lot number are in my attorney's office. My friend and I are still waiting for the ruptured case, which of course the company said they returned with my parts. So? Oh yeah, he also said he would have the manufacturer send him the new upper and I would get it from him. Now I was going to send my lower for inspection/testing and have the new upper installed at the manufacturer so the could also test fire it. Still fishy to me...
 
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