AR advice/help needed!! PLEASE!!!!

[tarosean]

this long straight hollow point with rifling grooves on it. I've never seen anything like it. More like a tapered hollow point piece of cleaning rod or ?! Strange

Where are the pics?? Seems like you would have noticed it placing it into your rifle as that was the first bullet loaded. Too big to be hidden in the casing behind another bullet.

Since some of your posts are a little confusing. Have you owned these boxes of ammo for 19yrs?

 

[Eb1]

Did you load 4 into the mag, and then drop a hand-load into the chamber trying to shoot a VLD bullet that wouldn't fit into the mag? I am not making accusations. I am just trying to figure out how a bullet that long would fit into a magazine? I haven't ever seen a .224 bullet that weighed 125 grains.
I barely find .25 caliber bullets weighing 120 grains.

 

[allaroundhunter]

Did you load 4 into the mag, and then drop a hand-load into the chamber trying to shoot a VLD bullet that wouldn't fit into the mag? I am not making accusations. I am just trying to figure out how a bullet that long would fit into a magazine? I haven't ever seen a .224 bullet that weighed 125 grains.
I barely find .25 caliber bullets weighing 120 grains.

Not possible, because 4 rounds fired before the kaboom. If he dropped the 125 gr round into the chamber then it would have fired first and not have been the one lodged in the barrel.

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[tarosean]

If he loaded the 125 gr round first then it would not have been the one lodged in the barrel.

I guess I should have said Magazine instead of rifle. First loaded is last fired...

 

[Soupshooter]

I'm pretty sure I know what gun shop I bought the ammo from and yes I've had them for probably that long. Unfortunately I haven't had as much time to shoot as before then. Family, living in town, busy! I have several dozen boxes of ammo that have been stored for about as long...Black Talons and others. Heck I've got hundreds of rounds for guns I don't even have any longer. Will try to get pics up today.

 

[Eb1]

Very possible. You shoot 4 from the mag then hand load on.

 

[Ramone]

Just reading through this, I am wondering how old your daughter is...

Is she young enough to not understand that putting something in Daddy's barrel while he's down range is a bad thing?

Not making any accusations- it just strikes me that if the 'projectile' was too much to fit in a magazine, and the safety was on while you where down range looking at the target (Safety on, Bolt Closed on a loaded chamber, right?) the only way that got in there for the fifth shot would be from the Muzzle End.

 

[allaroundhunter]

Very possible. You shoot 4 from the mag then hand load on.

Oh I got what you are saying now, I thought you were saying that he loaded 4 into the mag, and then dropped the first one into the chamber. My mistake.

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[Soupshooter]

Ok I know I've posted this several times...My daughter is 15, and walked with me to the target. Nobody else was around. No other rounds singly loaded or anything. Five rounds loaded into mag, with all five fired out of mag. No VLD bullets or anything else. Took all 5 out of factory box 1 at a time straight into mag. All looked same height in styro tray before. The way this "bullet" looks, it would have been either way short or extremely long. I still feel it is something that the ammo company came up with to avoid responsibility. Will ad pics of AR, will have to take pics of barrel remnants and "bullet" later.

 

[allaroundhunter]

I would definitely have the lower checked out before slapping it on another upper and putting more rounds downrange.... That is one heck of a kaboom.

Again, glad both you and your daughter are uninjured.

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[Soupshooter]

more

 

[Soupshooter]

That has been my intention all along. Ammo company originally offered to pay for a complete new firearm. I suggested to save money that I be allowed to send lower back to mfr for inspection and possible reassembly. Again, is this something I would do if I were hiding something??? Would anyone turn down a new one over keeping this? If I really wanted to go after them, I would've gone straight to my lawyer with my hearing test results and the firearm with ammuntion included, not calling either company. But, I'm not that type of person. Only interested in replacing what's necessary to be able to shoot my AR again!

 

[Ramone]

Ok I know I've posted this several times...My daughter is 15, and walked with me to the target. Nobody else was around. No other rounds singly loaded or anything. Five rounds loaded into mag, with all five fired out of mag. No VLD bullets or anything else. Took all 5 out of factory box 1 at a time straight into mag. All looked same height in styro tray before. The way this "bullet" looks, it would have been either way short or extremely long. I still feel it is something that the ammo company came up with to avoid responsibility. Will ad pics of AR, will have to take pics of barrel remnants and "bullet" later.

Sorry- I somehow missed both her age, and that she walked downrange with you.

I just struck me that if it didn't come out of the Magazine, and it was bolt closed while you walked down range, it would have to have gone in by way of the Muzzle at that time.

That is way more of a ka-boom than I have ever seen from a 'regular' squib. you're quite fortunate. I am glad to hear no one was seriously injured.

 

[Z-Michigan]

That is the most catastrophic AR15 kaboom I have ever seen. I'm glad you were both OK!

My suggestion would be to make one more go at asking nicely for the ammo company to fix it, then to get a lawyer involved. I think you should also feel free to post the brands of the ammo and rifle at this point (although there's no reason to think the rifle was at fault).

 

[Adam123]

I don't get the secrecy when it comes to both the firearm manufacturer and the ammo company. If anything, you should make as much information available and send both companies a link to the thread so they can follow the discussion.

 

[Gtimothy]

^ +1 on this! Most manufacturers of ammunition and firearms are very interested in these threads. They often have people lurking, looking for problems with their products.

 

[Eb1]

WOW! That is a major ka-boom. I haven't seen one that bad since I saw a FN-FAL blow up.

 

[ny32182]

Pistol powder. Or obstructed barrel. I think those are the choices and if you are sure it is not the latter, by process of elimination...

 

[fatcat4620]

Can't wait to see this bullet.

 

[Soupshooter]

Alright finally have pics of what was returned by the ammo company. Only reason for now in not saying the companies involved I guess, is possibly my wild card to have them do the right thing. I too feel other shooters should know and I may give them one more call to let them read the posts as well. I did tell them I had started this thread looking for advice and the response was go right ahead. Stated that they are a stand up company with customer service second to none, and if they had made the "magic bullet" they would take care of it. Fellow shooters take a look at these and tell me that this bullet is truly something that you've seen and how would it have fed without me noticing it! If you know of a bullet like this, please tell me where it came from. Or is the general consensus that this is a fabrication from the company to uh...screw me?

Pics are: box contents, with sealed sight post bag, sealed delta ring bag, ziploc front receiver ring/bolt, ziploc with apparently a new 55gr fmj and the magic bullet with barrel shavings...NO RUPTURED CASE! He said there was one and he was returning it as well. I included a fired case from the box of empties from the same company. Let me know if you have any questions about anything else.

 

[Soupshooter]

pics

 

[Soupshooter]

What everybody's been waiting for!


OKAY SO NOW WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK ABOUT THIS "BULLET"???

 

[Soupshooter]

Eb, didn't really need to hear about the FAL...I had mine with me when my AR blew. I had planned on shooting it next! I don't have any .308 from the same company though so maybe I'm ok?

 

[Z-Michigan]

Bullet - haha - oh that's funny. Looks to me like a section of brass rod with one end roughly tapered. Possibly a part of a cleaning rod? It doesn't look like a simply broken piece, it looks made, but not made as a bullet.

Maybe - WAG - it was a defective item that came out of a bullet-making machine and got put into a bulk container of bullets without being noticed, then went into a loading machine the same way, dropped inside a case without tripping a bullet sensor so allowing a real bullet to be loaded on top of it in the same case?

It sure isn't any real bullet I've ever seen. The theory of defective ammo continues.

 

[tarosean]

ETA: never mind you posted better pics..


I personally don't think they are trying to screw you. They would have never gone through the charade of you sending it in If their mind was already made up.