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Noz
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I like TC Maxihunters.
woodnbow
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Yes and yes in my experience. I've also used the buffalo bullets and they work well too.
I like your signature Dave!
I must say that when the time comes to use a projectile other than a PRB for hunting beyond 75-100 yds I'll also be considering the BC, and so I may end up using a modern aerodynamic bullet in a sabot, though I feel drawn to using an older style full bore conical. But the idea that it may slide off of the charge and create a terrible problem gives me pause.
I imagine a heavy .50 cal slug really putting the smack on something though! Just gotta know!
I must say that when the time comes to use a projectile other than a PRB for hunting beyond 75-100 yds I'll also be considering the BC, and so I may end up using a modern aerodynamic bullet in a sabot, though I feel drawn to using an older style full bore conical. But the idea that it may slide off of the charge and create a terrible problem gives me pause.
I imagine a heavy .50 cal slug really putting the smack on something though! Just gotta know!
MCgunner
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You must carry the gun muzzle down maybe horseback or something? I'm just wondering why the concern over the bullet pulling. I've never had the problem, but I don't have a horse. 
I could see that being a problem in certain situations.
That rifle sure looks like my Cabela's Hawken Hunter Carbine, 1:24 twist, 20" barrel. I understand that Investarms, the maker of my gun, also makes Lyman rifles, so I guess it may actually BE the same gun. Mine's a left hand model, though.
I could see that being a problem in certain situations.That rifle sure looks like my Cabela's Hawken Hunter Carbine, 1:24 twist, 20" barrel. I understand that Investarms, the maker of my gun, also makes Lyman rifles, so I guess it may actually BE the same gun.
Mine's a left hand model, though.No horses... Just that the idea that the barrel could rupture if it were to move off of the charge doesn't sound thrilling. I'd prefer to not have to check it periodically or even concern myself with it.
Quite frankly, though I intend on using my Deerstalker with a PRB, and eventually getting another barrel and using a Malcolm scope for hunting fields, I'd likely be stationary with little to no opportunity for the conical to migrate. It's probably a non issue.
Although if I were to find the opportunity to hunt elk or some other large game animal with my .50 cal I'd likely choose some sort of conical/bullet over a PRB.
Quite frankly, though I intend on using my Deerstalker with a PRB, and eventually getting another barrel and using a Malcolm scope for hunting fields, I'd likely be stationary with little to no opportunity for the conical to migrate. It's probably a non issue.
Although if I were to find the opportunity to hunt elk or some other large game animal with my .50 cal I'd likely choose some sort of conical/bullet over a PRB.
MCgunner
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Well, I never lost sleep over carrying my rifle with a Hornady Great Plains Minie. It could slide forward with a good jolt, I suppose. If i drop the gun muzzle forward, I'll check it with the ram rod before continuing.
That rifle sure looks like my Cabela's Hawken Hunter Carbine, 1:24 twist, 20" barrel. I understand that Investarms, the maker of my gun, also makes Lyman rifles, so I guess it may actually BE the same gun. Mine's a left hand model, though.
Mine is a 24'' 1 in 48 twist, it says made in Italy on the other side, is that where Investarms is?
I'm relatively new to BP shooting, so i defer to your experience, and appreciate any info you can share
Mine is a 24'' 1 in 48 twist, it says made in Italy on the other side, is that where Investarms is?
I'm relatively new to BP shooting, so i defer to your experience, and appreciate any info you can share
It is made by Investarms.
It appears as though you have an older model. They've been shipping them out with fiber optic sights more recently. Having shot a hog from a tree stand at dusk I felt these sights would be quite helpful.
It appears as though you have an older model. They've been shipping them out with fiber optic sights more recently. Having shot a hog from a tree stand at dusk I felt these sights would be quite helpful.
frontiergander
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Thor bullets - Powerbelt bullets all stay put for me. Those Investarms barrel can be tricky as both of mine are belled out towards the bottom and makes fitting bullets perfectly, real hard to do.
Patocazador
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I've got the same basic gun but with a double set trigger. Short barrel, 1:24 twist and it's called a Sile Hawken Hunter Carbine. It has a rubber recoil pad too like I think the one in the photo has.
There's a part of me that wants to use a modern aerodynamic bullet (SST, FTX, FPB, etc.), but it seem almost as bad as attaching a modern Nikon scope. I'm not sure if I care enough though. I did put a modern sling on my Deerstalker that has fiber optic sights, a modern stock design, and a rubber recoil pad...
I'm not planning on joining any historical club, though I think it'd be a lot of fun. I'd bet a coon skin cap would fit me well!
I'm not planning on joining any historical club, though I think it'd be a lot of fun. I'd bet a coon skin cap would fit me well!
Jefferson Herb
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slugs
I've been using Maxis for yrs,and have to anymore since I only have slug guns. I have maxi-molds in .50 and .54,and feel it was the best money I've ever spent. [look at the price of 20 pack].I've never had a problem,and use 1000+ for lube which seems to give me a few loadings before cleaning.
Accuracy is best when cleaned between shots though.
I've been using Maxis for yrs,and have to anymore since I only have slug guns. I have maxi-molds in .50 and .54,and feel it was the best money I've ever spent. [look at the price of 20 pack].I've never had a problem,and use 1000+ for lube which seems to give me a few loadings before cleaning.
Accuracy is best when cleaned between shots though.
Lyman Maxi's? And these sit on the charge?
I'm curious how easily a conical can migrate off of the charge. As I certainly wouldn't point the barrel at the ground while walking, I can see possibly dipping the barrel a bit below horizontal while crossing brush. How much does it take to move a typical conical?
I'm curious how easily a conical can migrate off of the charge. As I certainly wouldn't point the barrel at the ground while walking, I can see possibly dipping the barrel a bit below horizontal while crossing brush. How much does it take to move a typical conical?
Pancho
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I deer hunt in Ohio and use minnie balls. It's generally cool to cold during deer season so I choose my bullet lube accordingly. A cold barrel and a medium temperature melting point lube acts like a glue and comforts me that the bullet won't move. Texas is probably a lot warmer during hunting season so the lube I would use wouldn't work for you.
Gatefeo's lube formula allows for varying the components to adjust the melting point to suit your ambient temperature. For example increasing the beeswax ratio would make the lube stiffer with a higher melting point and more suitable for a warmer climate.
Gatefeo's lube formula allows for varying the components to adjust the melting point to suit your ambient temperature. For example increasing the beeswax ratio would make the lube stiffer with a higher melting point and more suitable for a warmer climate.
MCgunner
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Yeah, Investarms is Italian.
Only shot I have of mine. It's a .50 cal, though, not a .54 Also note the chrome bore. It shoots well. Also, it's a left hand model. I believe Cabelas dropped the lefty model.
Only shot I have of mine. It's a .50 cal, though, not a .54 Also note the chrome bore. It shoots well. Also, it's a left hand model. I believe Cabelas dropped the lefty model.
Hard to tell, but it appears blued which would mean (from what little I know) that it has the deep grooves for PRB. Do you shoot conicals through it?
I also notice the checkering. Did you have that done or was there a deluxe model?
It also looks as though your rod is filled in, that there is no place to screw in an attachment. Is that the lighting?
Your rear sight looks similar to mine, but without the fiber optics. Is it a more modern type?
I also notice the checkering. Did you have that done or was there a deluxe model?
It also looks as though your rod is filled in, that there is no place to screw in an attachment. Is that the lighting?
Your rear sight looks similar to mine, but without the fiber optics. Is it a more modern type?
Mine's threaded on the other end. I'm curious if that rear sight came with the rifle also? It does have windage adjustments ,correct?
Found out from Lyman that mine was built in 1990, in pretty good shape for a 23 year old used rifle.
Got it out to the range today and tried the suggestions posted in another thread about the barrel condition. First time out i was using 100 grns of swiss 2F and was scattering balls all over an 8" target at 50 yds. Today i dropped the charge to 75 grns and a .018 lubed patch and tightened up the shots, got 5 inside 5'' and 1 just outside that group. Picked up some Hornady great plains bullets, going to try them next week.
Found out from Lyman that mine was built in 1990, in pretty good shape for a 23 year old used rifle.
Got it out to the range today and tried the suggestions posted in another thread about the barrel condition. First time out i was using 100 grns of swiss 2F and was scattering balls all over an 8" target at 50 yds. Today i dropped the charge to 75 grns and a .018 lubed patch and tightened up the shots, got 5 inside 5'' and 1 just outside that group. Picked up some Hornady great plains bullets, going to try them next week.
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That's the one thing that gives me pause about what I'd use.
I know a REAL or a sabot will be OK, but others can move off of the charge and create a bulge in the barrel, if it doesn't explode!
I don't want to have to consider stopping and checking periodically, especially when I see a game animal!
I know a REAL or a sabot will be OK, but others can move off of the charge and create a bulge in the barrel, if it doesn't explode!
I don't want to have to consider stopping and checking periodically, especially when I see a game animal!
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