Councilman proposes a 3 day waiting period in Kentucky

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Councilman proposes a 3 day waiting period in Kentucky


I can't believe I saw this on Fox 19 out of Cincinnati this morning. A Ft. Thomas KY councilman is proposing a big change in Kentucky's gun laws. He is proposing a three day waiting period for gun purchases. This comes about because someone who killed a spouse was able to get a gun in 25 minutes, and he says a waiting period of 3 days would have prevented it according to him.

http://www.fox19.com/story/23490181/councilman-proposes-3-day-waiting-period-for-gun-purchases-in-ky


"In my mind, I've always been of the opinion that anybody that needs a gun should be able to wait three days. I don't think that is too much to ask and have a little cooling off period," said Bowman..."
 
Among other things, this would preclude sales at gun shows.

Luckily, this proposal won't get very far. It's Kentucky, after all.
 
I would suggest the KY residents express their "dissatisfaction" with the councilman-in-question's suggestion about such a waiting period. Such expression should make it transparent that future "suggestions" will not be tolerated.
 
Those of us in Kentucky should never take our gun rights for granted. This nonsense can be proposed in any state.

Here in Kentucky we had a some really bad anti-gun legislation proposed after Sandy Hook it would have made Kentucky on equal par with some of the East Coast States. It was proposed by politicians out of Louisville and Lexington.......


http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?111417-Proposed-Anti-Gun-Legislation



"Looks like KY being the land of the free is about to come to an end. "In addition to licensing and registration, the bill would allow local governments and Kentucky State Police to regulate firearms." So long 65.870. What's legal in this county may be a felony in the next. "


That proposal didn't pass, but we could have lost it then and there. No matter what state you live in, don't ever take your gun rights for granted.

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The 3-day wait period was standard in the Louisville area for years. The same idiocy applied there. The law was eventually overturned.

The morons on the old Board of Aldermen never got the fact, that there were gun stores and pawn shops that literally sat on streets that bordered the city. They were in Jefferson County which had no waiting period. City of Louisville residents were/are also residents of Jefferson County.

Care to guess where a huge number of the gun sales were made?
 
These futile tilts at windmills are happening everywhere, fortunately, with about as chance for success as in Kentucky.

Oberlin, Ohio is trying to ban guns in parks AFTER the Ohio Supreme Court ALREADY stomped Mayor Frank Jackson and Cleveland into the ground like a cape buffalo over preemption. They haven't got a snowball's chance in Chicago of even getting heard, but when you're stupid and evil, reality isn't much of a restraint on behavior.
 
Just for the sake of conversation and to play theatre of the mind, would anyone agree to a 2 / 3 day wait IF after the period you could automatically have as part of the deal a No Fee permanent CCW?

Like I say, theatre of the mind.
 
Texshooter said:
Just for the sake of conversation and to play theatre of the mind, would anyone agree to a 2 / 3 day wait IF after the period you could automatically have as part of the deal a No Fee permanent CCW?

Like I say, theatre of the mind.
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Nope. We already trade enough of our constitutional right to keep and bear arms as it is with licensed CCW.
 
Louisville, Lexington and Covington are known as the golden triangle to the rest of the state of Kentucky. They demand all the tax revenue from the rest of the state, elect liberal fools into office, look down on the rest of the state with contempt and we are told essentially send you tax dollars and shut the he** up.

If it is anti-gun legislation in Kentucky you can bet the house payment it will usually sprout out of these three places. I wish they would succeed from the state and leave the rest of us alone.
 
TexShooter: the only way to get a lot of people to think about "trading" is we were to get something in return... like for example abolishment of NFA or unrestrictable National Constitutional Carry (both open and concealed.) It'll have to be something HUGE, something we'd REALLY want.
 
Is there any evidence to suggest waiting periods prevent crime other than pure conjecture?

So the guy buys a gun, goes home and shoots his wife. Using the same.conjecture, could it not be assumed that the guy can buy a gun, wait three days, then go home and shoot his wife? Or could
It not be assumed that the guy buys and gun, has to wait three days, decides to swing by Walmart and buy a baseball bat/ butcher knife/ spool of rope only to go home and bludgeon/ stab/ strangled his wife?

The assumption that 3 days is enough to defuse a situation is an assumption that has cost people their lives. Or am I misunderstanding the crime rates in 'waiting period' states?
 
sarge83 said:
Louisville, Lexington and Covington are known as the golden triangle to the rest of the state of Kentucky. They demand all the tax revenue from the rest of the state, elect liberal fools into office, look down on the rest of the state with contempt and we are told essentially send you tax dollars and shut the he** up.

If it is anti-gun legislation in Kentucky you can bet the house payment it will usually sprout out of these three places. I wish they would succeed from the state and leave the rest of us alone.
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This proposal is from a Fort Thomas councilman. Ft. Thomas is fairly close to Covington. Earlier this year, politicians from the Louisville and Lexington areas tried to propose some real draconian legislation that would have made Kentucky gun laws on par with New Jersey or New York. Which brings up this concern.

There is another alleged pro-gun site that has a Kentucky forum...and I posted this same message there and the responses were were kind of startling. People just blew off the post and joked about it, which of course is their right. But in my own opinion any proposal that restricts the rights of law abiding gun owners, should be met with concern. Take a look what happened in Colorado, who would have thought those gun control measures there would pass...but they did.

For those (And I am really talking about the other site) to act smug just because we Kentuckians have a long tradition of gun rights could be in for a rude awakening someday if these proposals ever gain traction because we took the attitude that 'it can't happen here' .
 
Midwest said:
For those (And I am really talking about the other site) to act smug just because we Kentuckians have a long tradition of gun rights could be in for a rude awakening someday if these proposals ever gain traction because we took the attitude that 'it can't happen here' .
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A valid point I tell people quite often. I get the 'oh that'll never pass' and I say only if we stop it.
 
"present a resolution to other council members that would urge state legislators to require a three-day waiting period for a purchase of a firearm in the State of Kentucky" So he has no real political power at the state level, he is just posturing and attempting to appeal to actual lawmakers...
 
I am a native Kentuckian and have confidence that KY gun owners will persuade their representatives to deny that proposal.
 
Just for the sake of conversation and to play theatre of the mind, would anyone agree to a 2 / 3 day wait IF after the period you could automatically have as part of the deal a No Fee permanent CCW?
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In order for there to be a "deal", you have to trust the other side.

I haven't one iota of trust in the other side.

Trading them ANYTHING is like trading the Sudetenland for "peace in our time".

I don't respect, much less trust them.

Sorry, no sale.
 
USAF_Vet said:
Is there any evidence to suggest waiting periods prevent crime other than pure conjecture?

So the guy buys a gun, goes home and shoots his wife. Using the same.conjecture, could it not be assumed that the guy can buy a gun, wait three days, then go home and shoot his wife? Or could
It not be assumed that the guy buys and gun, has to wait three days, decides to swing by Walmart and buy a baseball bat/ butcher knife/ spool of rope only to go home and bludgeon/ stab/ strangled his wife?

The assumption that 3 days is enough to defuse a situation is an assumption that has cost people their lives. Or am I misunderstanding the crime rates in 'waiting period' states?
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And, how does the 3-day waiting period help the wife desperate for protection, I'm sure she can pack up the kids and go stay at the councilman's house until her gun purchase is approved.
 
bikemutt said:
And, how does the 3-day waiting period help the wife desperate for protection, I'm sure she can pack up the kids and go stay at the councilman's house until her gun purchase is approved.
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This is the core problem with any kind of waiting period (besides being an blatant infringement of the second amendment). The people who need protection can't get it because they are forced to comply with some poorly conceived draconian law restricting their rights. However such laws are never be followed by criminals.

This is why waiting periods of any type end up hurting law abiding people who need protection. People need to protect themselves and can't often rely on the police to do it for them. I wonder how many of these politicians are aware of this ruling...(see below).

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

"WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation. "


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Should be a 3 day waiting period for anyone who wants to vote for that guy next time!

I'm stuck in md now, our waiting period is about 3mns long due to current laws which kick in 1 Oct.

FIGHT all this you can anyplace you can! Otherwise, you will end up like md, ny or Kali. They will never stop.
 
The assumption that 3 days is enough to defuse a situation is an assumption that has cost people their lives. Or am I misunderstanding the crime rates in 'waiting period' states?
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I think if you're already intent on killing someone, a 3 day wait is just a minor inconvenience. Which of course hits at the heart of the matter. The issue isn't the gun, it's that someone is unbalanced enough to want to murder someone in the first place.
 
3 Day Waiting Period

I'm like Answerguy, I thought Kentucky passed the preemption amendment last election. My understanding is this prohibits anyone but the State Legislature from enacting firearms laws and invalidated existing local firearms ordinances/laws. The basic idea was to insure uniformity to firearms laws throughout the Commonwealth.

The councilman proposed enacting an illegal local ordinance.
 
Just when you think Kentucky is safe from these idiots. Must have migrated across the river from Ohio.
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Easy now with the commentary about Ohio. We have passed more pro- 2nd amendment legislation in the last few years than any time I can remember. That clown didn't migrate from here and we don't want him.

He'll probably be out of a job soon enough knowing the good people of KY.
 
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