Colorado 3 day waiting period for private party sales?

[P89DCSS]

These days I live in Colorado and now we are subjected to a three day waiting period.
Does anyone know how private sales are conducted with the three day waiting period and the background check?
Can both parties agree to terms via email, them meet at an FFL to complete the sale with background check?
If not, how are we expected to complete a private party firearm sale in Colorado?

Please stay on topic, I don't care even a tiny bit what you think about Colorado and it's laws.

For an example:
When I live in Illinois I was subjected to a waiting period.
For private party sales the waiting period was considered to start once both parties had agreed on terms of sale.
Email was considered proof of an agreed sale and documented the start of the waiting period.
Illinois has the FOID card and a decade ago that was the background check.
Seller held the firearm for three days. Then both parties met and completed the sale.
There was an ISP web site that the seller used to verify the purchaser had a valid FOID card

 

[PapaG]

These days I live in Colorado and now we are subjected to a three day waiting period.
Does anyone know how private sales are conducted with the three day waiting period and the background check?
Can both parties agree to terms via email, them meet at an FFL to complete the sale with background check?
If not, how are we expected to complete a private party firearm sale in Colorado?

Please stay on topic, I don't care even a tiny bit what you think about Colorado and it's laws.

For an example:
When I live in Illinois I was subjected to a waiting period.
For private party sales the waiting period was considered to start once both parties had agreed on terms of sale.
Email was considered proof of an agreed sale and documented the start of the waiting period.
Illinois has the FOID card and a decade ago that was the background check.
Seller held the firearm for three days. Then both parties met and completed the sale.
There was an ISP web site that the seller used to verify the purchaser had a valid FOID card

Wish it was still that way. Now, person to person transfers must be done st a dealer's. The bloated billionaire bully has crushed another freedom for the peaceful citizens of downstate IL. Plus, there will be a fee from the dealer but he shouldn't have to do the recordkeeping for free.

 

[toxophilus]

In Colorado we have to do a private seller to private seller at an FFL; once the paper work has been completed we then have to wait a full three days before we're able to pick up our firearms.

I've noticed that the fees are going up at most places from even a year ago, one of my favored places used to charge $40.00, they now increased the price for a background check & transfer paper work to $60.00

 

[MEHavey]

Dumb hypothetical question:

If one is gifting a handgun to a Colorado resident (via interstate FFL, of course ),
how does the 'new & improved' waiting period play out ?

 

[unspellable]

How do these waiting periods affect gun shows?

 

[wayneinFL]

How do these waiting periods affect gun shows?

I don't know about Colorado specifically, but we have a waiting period from a dealer without a CCW permit. Here there's usually a local dealer that will complete transfers after the gun show. So if you don't have a permit, you pick your gun up after the show from the local guy.

 

[rust collector]

This thread illustrates the importance of using the definitions that apply to the statute in question. Common sense, and common meanings of words used, can get us in trouble. I am not familiar with Colorado law, but I would recommend skipping the breathless news coverage and checking on the agency FAQ
https://cdphe.colorado.gov/obtaining-firearms

It looks to me like a three day waiting period somehow translates to "whenever the background check authority issues approval". If we have CO FFLs or folks who are familiar with this requirement, I will invite assistance. Editorial comments are not helpful and will result in thread lock.

 

[P89DCSS]

In Colorado we have to do a private seller to private seller at an FFL; once the paper work has been completed we then have to wait a full three days before we're able to pick up our firearms.

Ok, so FFL 4473 up front. Who holds the firearm during the three day waiting period?

 

[P89DCSS]

Editorial comments are not helpful and will result in thread lock.

Mods, can you please delete the off topic comments and keep my thread alive?

 

[P89DCSS]

How do these waiting periods affect gun shows?

You have to go to the FFL for pick up after 3 days. Basically kills gun shows. One big show closed down but the other one is still running.

Another negative effect is dealers within in an hour drive. Now it's two trips which is 12 gallons of gas plus time. Gunbroker to a local LGS is more competitive and saves a lot of time.

 

[rust collector]

Let's go back to the OP. We have a hypothetical question that no one has addressed directly, and a rhetorical question that perhaps no one can answer.

The hypothetical question: Can both parties agree to terms via email, them meet at an FFL to complete the sale with background check?

What I cannot understand is how the following language on the site that I linked does not answer your question:

• HB 23-1219 established a three-day waiting period before a firearms seller may deliver a firearm to a purchaser. The waiting period is three days after the initiation of a required background check of the purchaser or when the purchase is approved following any background check, whichever occurs later.
• Delivering a firearm prior to the expiration of the waiting period is a civil infraction, punishable by a fine.

Is it possible to initiate the background check without a physical encounter at the FFL place of business? That is a question of Colorado law and/or CBI regulations. In most places, the background check is initiated only after the 4473 is completed and signed. This also requires physical inspection of a picture ID.

The second question, If not, how are we expected to complete a private party firearm sale in Colorado?, may be rhetorical in that you are not expected to complete a private party firearm sale as you define it.

Anyone willing to address your questions further should state his/her qualifications and respond to the OP. Otherwise, it will be time to conclude matters.

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[Frank Ettin]

…both parties agree to terms via email, them meet at an FFL to complete the sale with background check? …

And that’s how it’s done in California — which has had universal background checks for a long time.

 

[N555]

I don't know about Colorado specifically, but we have a waiting period from a dealer without a CCW permit. Here there's usually a local dealer that will complete transfers after the gun show. So if you don't have a permit, you pick your gun up after the show from the local guy.

It could have a huge impact. If no one can legally transfer a gun at a 2 day gun show then it's no longer a gun show....

 

[Frank Ettin]

It could have a huge impact. If no one can legally transfer a gun at a 2 day gun show then it's no longer a gun show....

Not necessarily.

Now I haven’t gone to a gun show for awhile. But when I did regularly attend our local gun shows there would be one or more local FFLs to handle transfers.

Of course that means the buyer will need to go the the FFL’s place of business to pick up the gun after the waiting period has run.