Glock issues... that kinda hurt

yes, i do. with my g30. not sure how to fix it. i noticed that wwb will do it more often. and factory self defense loads wont.

Gen4 or Gen3?

Without knowing, a change of ammo/bullet weight might be a quick fix.

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On my Kimber 1911 4" going to Wulff Hi-power springs did the trick as far as cleaning up my ejection patterns. I suspect that an upgraded spring/guide rod combo with a check of ejectors would do the trick. It it's a Gen 3 23 the spring upgrade would be the first thing I would do. On my 19 I noticed a huge improvement in recoil w/ upgraded springs.

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Gen 4. I'll try some different ammo and see if it helps.

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Glock had some Recoil Spring Assy upgrades awhile back. Call Glock and see if yours is affected and mention your problem. Some guys on GT have fixed the BTF problem with new extractor and/or ejector.


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The wife's G19 gen4 does the same thing. Already has the latest version recoil spring and ejector.

I think the gen4 was optimized for full power self defense ammo (you know, so it's reliable when it really counts) and so the weaker range ammo just sorta spits out where ever it wants. Must be a gen4 thing. Maybe wear a ballcap?

Call Glock. If you've had it for 2 years and shot it with any regularity, it could be time for a new RSA. But then, there've been some reports of it popping up at the thousand or so round mark.

Never had it in any of my 3 Gen 4's with 5k+ between them.

I haven’t seen a “brass to face” with a G23. I have seen quite a few G19's that do it.

Mine has the latest parts that I know of, and still does it.
Heavy bullets and hotter loading seem to help a lot.
A ball cap and glasses help even more.

Let us know if Glock has anything to help you out.

Brass to face ("BTF") is an ongoing, never ending issue over at GlockTalk.

The usual answers to BTF are:

1) Use full powered ammunition, not cheap no name low power practice loads. (As if anybody can afford to shoot Hornady Critical Duty during practice. Well, unless the taxpayers are buying the ammo.)

2) Change the ejector to a different shape.

3) Change the extractor to an aftermarket machined version instead of the MIM original.

All that being said, BTF is usually a 9mm curse. My solution is to add a hat with a bill to my eyes and ears range safety gear.

Could be something as simple as a slight limpwrist during a long range session. Much more likely to happen, if you're tired. Stronger recoil spring assembly will only exacerbate the problem. A lighter recoil spring would compensate for occasional limpwristing.

Full-power ammo also helps.

Call Glock Customer Service at 770-432-1202 & give them the serial number of your Gen4 G23. If yours is 2 yrs. old now, it might be an early S/N Gen4, and it might need the updated ejector and / or the updated dual recoil spring assembly. I went through this with my early Gen4 G-22, which only needed the ejector upgrade, it already had the updated DRSA. They won't send you the parts they will only send these to one of their certified armorers. This won't cost you anything, and this fixed this problem for me.

Could be something as simple as a slight limpwrist during a long range session. Much more likely to happen, if you're tired. Stronger recoil spring assembly will only exacerbate the problem. A lighter recoil spring would compensate for occasional limpwristing.

Full-power ammo also helps.

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This.

My father's HK P30 V3 does the same thing. The recoil spring assembly, which is guaranteed for 25000 rounds, has now only 550 rounds; so if you are not holding the grip tight and/or you are not using full powered rounds, you are going to have some BTF, which happened both to me and my father. Some of the last pistols releases are designed to shoot +P or even +P+ rounds continuosly, then the problems start with soft practice ammo, both factory or reloads.

Maybe that is why some folks hold their guns Gangsta style ? Seriously I have never had a problem with my g30 , It would seem that if this is a sudden occurance that it would be related to some wearable componant/componants ! Either the spings or the extractor , or both ! Kevin

I can't think of any semi-auto I've owned that didn't occasionally send a piece of brass back. The only way the absolutely, positively, not have any brass come back at you is to shoot a revolver.

Cheap, target factory ammo is not very consistent. In developing 9mm loads, starting at minimum charges and working up, I had brass run the whole gamut from not ejecting, to ejecting to the left, straight up, back at me, to the right and finally where I wanted it as I increased the powder charge. You'd be surprised at what a difference just a couple of tenths difference in powder charge makes in ejection patterns.

Funny how people are so quick to blame their $500 gun, but not the $9 box of WWB they got at Walmart.

I can't think of any semi-auto I've owned that didn't occasionally send a piece of brass back.

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Yea, me too.


How many rounds do you have through the gun and how often do you clean it?

Have you stripped the slide and cleaned and flushed everything? If youre shooting the least bit regularly with it, you should do it at least once or twice a year. In between, a quick blast of Gun Scrubber around the extractor can do wonders as well. You'd be amazed at how much gunk comes out when you do.

The Glocks I have that I shoot a lot, I change out the RSA at least once a year, and usually twice. Its a cheap part and a no brainer.


I have a bunch of Gen 3's, and have the issue occasionally. Im convinced now that for me, its more worn out brass related than anything else. I mostly shoot my reloads and I shoot the brass to failure. The older, and more beat up the case rims get, the more the problem increases. Usually if I switch to factory, or rotate through another lot of reloads with fresher brass, the issues goes away.

Im not saying some Glocks dont have issues in this respect, but if youre not keeping things clean, and/or using reloads, it might be some of the problem.

The G21sf I had would ping my head quite a bit.

I have a gun that will eject straight over my head every time, no matter what the load, no matter what brand of ammo. Going to try re-profiling the ejector to put a bit of a bevel on it to get it to kick more to the right.

I had to send my 19 back twice due to stovepipes and brass to my face and everywhere else. They finally replaced the extractor and ejector. So far, so good. Glock redesigned the 336 ejector to a 30274. The ammo wasn't the problem as I tried everything from the cheap Federal to some hot European ammo. My nephew bought a 30S and guess what folks. Yep, brass to his face and everywhere else. All are gen 3's.

Had the issue from the get go with G19 gen 4. Got rid of it in favor of a 17 gen 4, which developed same problem after a couple hundred rounds. 30274 ejector should fix it, I did an apex extractor and new guide rod as well. No problems of any kind since.

Story of my Gen.3 19 ejection problems
Polished extractor----no change
Replaced extractor---no change
Glock match--let the guys check it and replace extractor(my request)----no change
Replaced extractor plunger spring-----no change
Installed a 30274 Ejector----BIG CHANGE but not 100%
Replaced LCI spring loaded bearing with NON-LCI spring loaded bearing---- now I call it fixed after several 1,000 rds.

My 2nd gen G19 was terrible to land hot brass between the tops of my glasses and my eyebrows. Let me assure you it is a lesson in trigger control under stress!

A couple of judicious swipes with a file changed the angle of the ejector face slightly, and no more problems.

EVERY Glock I've ever shot would occasionally throw a casing in my direction. It's one of the reasons I started wearing hats or baseball caps at ranges, whether outside or indoors. Since it has happened with all Glocks I've shot extensively, I just figure it's a gun trait I have to live with.