Has the bloom fallen off the flower for Glocks?

[Boats]

LeonCarr wrote:

I think Boats is just jealous

Jealous of what, exactly?

Hyperbole comes naturally to Glock owners it seems. As Lagadelphia provides a textbook example, I quote him:

. . . . I mean, some people who sit and bash Glocks all day long usually carry guns that usually require you to toss out the mags that come with it and buy third party mags so the gun runs reliably.

(Emphasis mine.)

Uh sure. It is so usual that environmental collapse is imminent due to all of that sheet metal in landfills. The above is obviously a thinly veiled slam of the 1911. I have had many factory 1911 mags that work just fine. My problem with them has usually been when they come capable of holding only seven rounds instead of the eight I prefer. SIG 220 fans might also know this modification "necessity." It is not that the mags don't work though.

These are the same people who are members to fourms dedicated to said gun upon which you find nothing but post after post asking about fixing problems with said gun. Across all manufacturers no less.

Nothing like all of those posts about malfs on Glocktalk right? People with problems complain. People without problems are the majority or companies would go out of business.

These are the same people who obviously don't see a problem with buying a gun that is more expensive that a Glock and it not running reliably out of the box in many cases. "Send it back. XXX company is great about making it right." I don't know about you, but if I were to drop $800 on a pistol, it had better damn well hit the ground running and not look back.

I guess the Glock service shop in Smyrna is staffed by a Maytag repairman then? Even us idiotic 1911 owners see a problem with a factory gun being unreliable out of the box. Again, as is the norm, the vast majority have no problems out of the box.

We all could, as an alternative, spend anywhere from $25-5500 less and buy a brick of plastic that for many is an unmitigated ergonomic disaster, which may or may not require a breaking in period, or explode, or barf up a frame rail, or perform a Phase 3 malfunction, or be subject to "upgrades," but only after police buyers are made aware of the problem. However, we'd all evidently be signing on to the BATFE and Glock's ballistic fingerprinting experiment for no additional charge.

So you can see why a person would get tired of arguing with people like that.

Likewise.

 

[gulogulo1970]

Glock people (I think) are just getting tried of defending a firearm that is perfect for them. They know not everyone has seen the light, yet.

Glocks already have a huge marketshare, Glock owners know this. We don't come out of the woodwork to defend Glocks because we have already won the argument of the marketplace. If they function so poorly, why do they sell so well? Ignorance of the consumer is not the answer. Answer is they work and work well. They have a great reputation, not by accident. Glocks are the autopistol all others are judged against, for now.

Why try to change the minds of Glock-haters? Let them love the guns they own, if it makes them feel good about themselves and their purchase.

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Hey dude, it's like, totally made out of ceramic so you can totally get it through an x-ray machine and has, like, no safety on it.

It totally ROCKED in that movie with the bald guy from The Sixth Sense...

/sarcasm

Guys, it's just another pistol.

Granted it was an innovative design, but there's nothing really *new* about it now. It works, IMHO no better or no worse than dozens of other designs out there. For some it fits, for others it will never fit.
Like I said, I like my G30 and have it on my hip as I type this. Is it perfect? No. What pistol design is? But it works, and here's the main point, it works for me.

Isn't choice a wonderful thing?

I guess I just never saw the point in getting worked up over it being *better* than _____________ (insert other pistol here).

As a defensive tool, in my hands, I like it just fine. Is it my favorite pistol to shoot? Heck no. I prefer my revolvers. So there you go.

 

[Frenchy]

Has the bloom fallen off the flower for Glocks?

I think it's because it's become "Old School". It's been around long enough that it's "uniqueness" has worn off. Even new variations aren't to thrilling...but thats because the basic design doesn't beg to be changed.
I've owned only one Glock, and that was a G-19. Great gun that ran flawlessly. I too found that the grip angle "sucked" for me, and replaced it for the, then new, HS 2000. Better ergonomics (SIG-like) and features that I warmed up to.

 

[MarauderLS1]

I think people hear more about when Glocks DON'T work these days. Its become somewhat of the norm to be able to buy a Glock and not have any problems. Same for SIG\HK, and a few others out there. Usually it's when someone has some strange malfunction that the pot starts stirring up rapidly. Again, same is true for all brands out there these days.
As someone mentioned, I too have a problem spending almost $800 on a weapon and having it not work from the box, or needing to buy "better" magazines than the ones that came from the factory. I think Glock provides one heck of a quality platform from the start, and usually at a reasonable price.

 

[Boats]

As someone mentioned, I too have a problem spending almost $800 on a weapon and having it not work from the box, or needing to buy "better" magazines than the ones that came from the factory.

Yep, keep saying that. Someday it might become true.

 

[LeonCarr]

Boats,

Maybe if you sold that Robar custom thingy, and bought a Glock, maybe:

A) You would not be so angry at Glock owners beacuse they have found the ideal gun, and you are still looking,

B) You would not give a Four Score and Seven Years ago answer to a post when someone says you are jealous.

Glocks are still better, and you have not convinced me to switch to an overpriced, overrated 1911.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

LeonCarr- ad hominem, not constructive man.

I like Glocks, but I refuse to believe in absolutes like: '...the ideal gun'. Maybe it's ideal for you but not for Boats, or for that matter anyone else.

'Glocks are still better' Again, subjective argument.

'...overpriced, overrated 1911' Are you seriously trying to flame people?

1911s work.
Glocks work.

Some better for others than not. It's all a matter of choice.

 

[Johnny C. Kitchens]

They Reached The Peak!!!

It happens in all fields. Look at how many negative things are said about
Microsoft, Intel, General Motors and McDonalds. It appears to be part of the
way things are...

 

[Frenchy]

FWIW...I know of quite a few 1911's in the $300 to $500 range that work just fine "right out of the box".
One doesn't need a Kimber or a STI to have a good 1911...And one doesn't need to own a Glock to have their own personal "Perfection"!

 

[cornbread2]

Everyone that has a lot of experience with ALL pistols over a long period of time and spent years on shooting ranges and at shooting schools where large numbers of people put large numbers of rounds down range all KNOW a few FACTS about the handgun world.

They don't have to guess or rely on their uncles wifes next door neigbhors brother in laws opinion they KNOW what pistols are reliable and trouble free.

They can see a number of people shooting brand A pistols and see a number shooting brand B pistols and already KNOW which group is more likely to have problems.

They KNOW this because they are not basing their opinion one one or two pistols.

A good auto mechanic can tell you EXACTLY which car is likely to give you good service and which one to avoid because he has experience with ALL of them. It is the same with all fields such as this.

You could have had bad luck with ONE Toyota Camry and assume that all of them are junk. Your mechanic KNOWS better.

If one example of brand A pistol is more reliable than brand B it proves NOTHING but which of the two is more reliable. It does not mean that on the average every single brand A pistol is more reliable than brand B. Only a damn fool would think otherwise but if one reads much BS posted on the internet on gun boards he WILL find lots of these damn fools.

People with real world experience KNOW that the VAST MAJORITY of Glock pistols are good reliable and durable pistols. Those that say otherwise are damn fools that lack experience or just have a mental problem.

You can not like a Glock and that is your "opinion" and that is fine. If you don't like one you don't have to buy one.

The guys that claim they are all junk are just showing just how IGNORANT they really are.

Such people have no business in adult conversations.

 

[MarauderLS1]

Boats,

It has happened to me more times than I can remember. And each time it was with a 1911 of some variant. Springfield TRP-Didn't feed properly with stock mags, had to buy Wilsons to make it function right. Springfield Mil-Spec, same as above. Kimber CDP, had 4 Kimber mags, didn't function properly, bought Wilsons, problem solved. Colt 1991, had 5 factory Colt mags, none provided flawless function. Only 1911 I bought that ran 100% was a Wilson CQB, and it came with 5 Wilson mags, go figure. My problem isn't with the 1911 design as much as it is with consistant quality of manufacture. Each major company that makes 1911's have such varying quality control these days its not even funny. It's true about many companies, but perhaps not to the extreme as it can be with 1911's. That's why I believe many people have found a Glock, sig, etc that fills their needs perfectly without the need for any aftermarket modifications.

 

[Sean Smith]

This whole topic is stunningly infantile. Sounds like alot of folks are using their guns as symbolic seconds for their pee-pee or something.

 

[cornbread2]

On average if one enters a gunshop and buys a Glock it is more likely to be reliable out of the box than the 1911 pistols on the shelf.

That is fact. You may not know this or believe it but it is fact.

That does not mean that 1911 pistols are not reliable it just shows that ON AVERAGE the Glock and most other modern designs are more reliable out of the box.



Again if one has enough experience with both designs he KNOWS this.

 

[Frenchy]

I think MarauderLS1 makes a very good point.
The 1911 is one of those designs that is produced by a whole slew of companies. Each has slightly different tolerances built into their particular gun. It's not surprising that the most common problem is proper functioning mags.
What if Glock was in the same position, instead of being a proprietary gun using a proprietary magazine. From what I understand, generics don't work real good in them.

 

[boogalou]

This whole topic is stunningly infantile. Sounds like alot of folks are using their guns as symbolic seconds for their pee-pee or something.

My thoughts exactly.....

Once again, this has degenerated into a Glock vrs 1911 thread. When will the madness stop!

I could tell you folks what pistols I like and dislike, but whats the point. I will say that there is one of the above pistols I will probably never own, but thats not the fault of the pistol, but of the condescending atitude of some of its owners.

 

[JeepDriver]

I really like my Glocks. I have 2 G17's that are great guns. It is the only gun that I have 2 of the same of. They are everything they are said to be. They work everytime, eat everything, and keep going.

I might not run around screaming their praises, but I'll defend them against those that haven't shot one.

 

[tlhelmer]

The .45 GAP is why.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

I am a fan of the 1911. I prefer the 1911. Make mine a double-stack to boot. I am currently carrying a 21C. It is tupperware, but it is lighter, and it goes bang everytime I pull the trigger. It is relatively accurate and very reliable.

The 1911 and Glock schools can co-exist. I am proof.

Now, if we are talking AR15 vs.........

 

[A. Partisan]

The fear of having something in common with an arrogant, know-it-all keeps me from buying certain types of handguns.

 

[rage]

Some people just get bored with something that works all the time .

Glocks haven't lost anything...you did, if you haven't shot one and got used to the trigger.

 

[JohnKSa]

In the past, any negative comment at all about Glocks invariably led to at least a few flames from Glock lovers. I don't see that happening any more. Why?

Why should I try to convert the trolls who get their jollies by repeatedly posting anti-Glock BS?

After awhile it gets ludicrous--how many posts do you see about people wanting to remove the grip safety from a 1911 or wanting to add a safety to a Colt Python? Yet it's never hard to find someone wanting to redesign the Glock. Often someone who admits to having no interest in owning a Glock in the first place.

Why is it that all these people who don't like Glocks, don't own one and don't want to own one spend so much time posting about them and "researching" the latest web legends about them? I don't know why, but it can't be real healthy...

The ones that are really knee slappers are when someone posts an anti-gun article that happens to focus on Glocks or mention Glocks and then argues as if all of the "facts" in the article are incontrovertible. [sarcasm]After all, we all know how factual the typical gun control article is.[/sarcasm]

 

[Lagadelphia]

"Frenchy: I think MarauderLS1 makes a very good point.
The 1911 is one of those designs that is produced by a whole slew of companies. Each has slightly different tolerances built into their particular gun. It's not surprising that the most common problem is proper functioning mags.
What if Glock was in the same position, instead of being a proprietary gun using a proprietary magazine. From what I understand, generics don't work real good in them."


A big problem with 1911's seems to be magazines that come with the gun. The answer seems to be to get Wilson mags. Now it seems like Wilson mags work in every 1911 out there so that begs the question why other manufactures can seem to get this right. The 1911 is a standard. One would hope that since it is a standard, manufactures could get it right. It's a design that has been around forever so one would think that an issue as simple as a mag issue shouldn't happen with the frequency that it does.

I'm not pro-glock anti-1911. Infact next month I am going to pick up a 1911. I like the 1911 design. I like the look of them as well. Haven't decided which one or from what manufacturer yet however. But I am apprehensive about geting one that runs right out of the box. That is a feeling that I don't have from a Glock. I'm not faulting the design, I am faulting the manufactures seemingly lack of QA.

As far as generic mags not working well in Glock. Glocks come with two working mags right out of the box and Glock factory mags aren't expensive either. Full Capacity is another story however

 

[wardog]

I don't think anything has changed with them, and I think they are good guns, but I did have a converstion with my gun dealer a couple of months ago on this topic. For whatever reason, he's not selling anywhere near the numbers of them that he used to sell. It's not the prices either, as he's got the best prices in town. IIRC, he was selling 27's for $449.

 

[Majic]

I'll start this off and maybe it gets around to everyone.

I own______(fill in the blank) which I shoot well enough to suit my needs and appreciate it's qualities. Others own various designs that they shoot well and appreciate the qualities that the designs provides for them. We all can respect each others choices, stand shoulder to shoulder on firing lines, shoot our various designs, and comment on each other's targets (which will be based on each individual's skill) without any mention of the platforms used except as a compliment.

I filled my blank with 1911's, BHP's, High Standards, and revolvers of most manufactors.