Travel with impact weapons.

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Carl Levitian

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Our daughter, grand daughter, and son in law just wrapped up a two week visit with us from California. Son in law John, is a corrections officer in Southern cal, and he of course has little faith in the good nature of mankind. Add to that, he takes the protection of his wife and daughter as a serious matter. Flying ou there to the Peoples Republik Of Marylandstan, he came equipped for tourist role in Washington D.C.

He's a pretty good size guy, but still he carried a heavy duty stock cane that had been finished a bit better with some stain and varnish. His cell phone was in a nylon hip holster that carried a LED Minimag LED piggy back. He had no problem going through TSA security at LAX, all they did was turn his light on to make sure it was functional.

Of course we talked weapons sitting around with a few cold ones, and given his employment in the corrections field, I was not surprised at his lean toward some sort of impact tool instead of a knife or edged tool. In fact, both he and my daughter, who is a parole agent, only carried a little Victorinox classic on the keyring. My daughter says that little SAK is too handy to go without, and is used everyday for something. But like her husband, very strongly leans toward some kind of impact tool for defense. In her purse for the trip out and about the D.C. area, her home stomping grounds, she had another AA Minimag, a Cross pen, a sharpie, and oddly enough, a pair of chop sticks.

Their choices made sense for going places by air travel, and I've been there my self. MOst objects that are not a dedicated weapon, like a flashlight or cane will go right under the radar in an airport, or taking a tour of the Capital or other D.C. landmark. But chopsticks???

Okay, I know my daughter has been living in southern California for over ten years now, and has taken up some martial arts, and son in law John has been into Krav Maga, but chopsticks???

I think of things like a cane to block and thrust or hit with, a minimal to strike with, and nice sturdy pen like a Cross to poke with. But is there some technique for chop sticks aside from eating beef with peppers?
 
You daughter and son-in-law sound pretty savvy.

And I admit I'm chuckling here at the mention of chopsticks. Not to be underestimated! It old Japan it was customary to leave all one's weapons at the door at certain locations, so clever samurai found ways around this.

The more commonly known is the "tessen" or iron fan, which either was a real fan with steel ribs, or a big ol chunk of iron shaped and dressed up as a closed fan. It was used like a small billy club or blackjack. The lesser known are chopsticks made of steel, with very fine points that were just shy of being outright sharpened. The documentation on them is more spotty, but what I was able to find is that they were not meant to block with, but rather to poke holes in the assailant, including the eyes and throat, as well as some pressure point techniques akin to those for koppo sticks.

I carry a pair myself made of steel or titanium. Primarily it's because I eat a lot of Asian food and I really hate those splintery pieces of junk they give you at restaurants. But when I was young I found some wisdom in the old samurai legends when a bully picked on me at lunch. It would have sounded like this:

"Chopsticks?! That's all you g- OwOwOwOw STOP!!!"
 
with the 2 handed 2 chop stick eye attack I been practicing for 40 years at least one is gonna go in an eye with an instant other hand pound it in assist ! This should end the fight, and no I never used it yet but on airplanes and such I believe it would work ok. The trick is to concentrate on what you are doing and get er done no matter what is used against you.
 
I guess I just can't get my head around chopsticks. When Jess movers up from juvenile probation to felony parole agent, they gave her an updated class and training in collapsable baton and Maglite use, and issued her a large Mag and a Minimag. She already had training in the pen and kuboton techniques, so I just wonder why bother with chopsticks? It seems kind of silly when you have more effective items on you that are still low profile.

What can chopsticks do that a minimag or metal pen can't? Aside from eating sweet and sour shrimp?
 
double the distance, two hands vs 1 hand, pinpoint accuracy vs blunt object, no one looks twice if a woman has a pair of chopsticks in her hair or her purse. If she has a kubotan on her keys some(should be most) guards will normally notice it.
 
What can I say, us Southern Californians love our Chinese food and take self defense seriously. We're an odd but efficient people.
 
They do sound savvy so I don't mean to poke holes in their choice (pun), but why don't they just carry a fork instead? I mean, you can use a real metal fork that would attract zero attention.
 
I guess I just can't get my head around chopsticks.

That's a problem with your perception.

Chopsticks can be used the same as a pen as long as you have the sturdy kind instead of cheap throw aways. They come in steel and Ti as well as lacquered wood. If you search your memory you can probably recall a woman with hair put up with decorative chopsticks. That means that chopsticks are just another tool in the toolbox, as long as they're of the sturdy kind.
 
I haven't flown in a while, but I will be flying in a few weeks. Can a normally healthy person, who doesn't need it to walk, carry a wooden stock handling cane on a commercial airline? Or even a small tac light?

How are these decisions made by the TSA personnel? Do they have a list of forbidden items? Or is it up to the individual employee who can decide 'I don't want him carrying that' without any more justification than their individual authority?
 
I haven't flown in a while, but I will be flying in a few weeks. Can a normally healthy person, who doesn't need it to walk, carry a wooden stock handling cane on a commercial airline? Or even a small tac light?

How are these decisions made by the TSA personnel? Do they have a list of forbidden items? Or is it up to the individual employee who can decide 'I don't want him carrying that' without any more justification than their individual authority?

A TSA employee caught trying to determine if a person is medically disabled or not will find himself quickly unemployed or transferred to a desk job stat. If a person has a cane, by law it's none of said agent's bleeping business if the person needs it or not. The ADA is not a law to be trifled with and these agents know it. They can x-ray items and they can ask you if you need assistance walking through the metal detector, but that's it. Whether you are "healthy" or disabled is private medical information. You do not have to answer one way or the other.

Flashlights and pens are another matter. Generally they are fine but I know I have heard at least one person say they had a "tactical pen" yanked because it looked weaponized. Not heard of that with a flashlight but theoretically if it's got those big sharp "teeth" around the rim they might have an issue. A minimag or a conventional pen I sincerely doubt would be stopped and have never heard of such a thing.
 
Do they have a list of forbidden items?

Yes

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items

Can a normally healthy person, who doesn't need it to walk, carry a wooden stock handling cane on a commercial airline? Or even a small tac light?

Yes, as long as you don't jog up with a 50lb pack on and the cane tucked under your arm or the flashlight is some flesheater headed monstrosity, but what good does it do to carry a cane on an aircraft if you're not trained on the use of one in those sorts of confines?
 
Thank you for your answers to my questions. I am going to be out of luck on carrying the stock handling cane I use on the farm. The purpose of my trip is backpacking in southeast Alaska, and I will be checking in a sixty pound backpack and a case with a rifle and a revolver. It will be too completely obvious that I am not disabled, even if I walk slow and don't jog. I might better check the little Fenix PD35 as well. I can't afford to lose it because I'm going to need it if a brown bear tries to slip up on me in the dark, and it's my understanding that if TSA decides to confiscate something that any appeal I could make would likely be more expensive than the item lost.
 
The TSA website was extremely helpful. It's nice to see the rules in black and white without guessing. Thank you again.
 
40-82,

Do you have any training with the cane? Also, the clerks at the counter aren't the people that will be looking at you and your cane. That's the TSA folks at the security checkpoint well beyond the counter and closer to the gate. Although, with the gear you're hauling with you a cane would just be a PITA.

I do NOT recommend you check your flashlight, unless you put it in your rifle case. Your Fenix won't get any undue attention as long as it is in your carryon.
 
They make Ti chopsticks, even sold on Amazon. Have many uses.

I have stopped in bad places and bought a length of dowel rod if I was forced to be unarmed. Wrap it with cord to make a koppo stick and it's better than nothing.

In the end, I think canes are the best option though.
 
hso,

Thanks for the advice. I will put the little Fenix light in my carry on. The only training I've had remotely related to the cane is a year of fencing many years ago in college, and I've seen a few videos on youtube. Other than that I use a cane only to handle and direct cattle in a pen. I've never hit an animal with a cane. I only use it to make myself look bigger to the cattle. It seems to me that having the cane would be better than nothing. I don't anticipate having trouble inside the airports traveling across the country, but it has been many years since I have traveled without even a pocket knife.
 
hso,

Good advice about locking up the knives. If I got to Alaska, and didn't have my knives, I suppose I would have to turn around and go home. It is amazing how many knives a person has to have to be happy: a basic sheath knife for skinning and field dressing deer, a Benchmade lockblade because it is always there when I travel, a filet knife for fish, a tiny Swiss army knife for splinters and general surgery on my carcass, and what old farmer ever moved without an ordinary pocket stockman. That's a lot of weight, even if it means I will carry less food because of it. Knives don't grow on trees. Food does--in them, under them, and everywhere around them.

Field Tester,

I love that quote from Theodore Roosevelt, "Speak softly and carry a big stick." I read somewhere once that sailors who served on the carrier, the U.S.S. Roosevelt affectionately referred to her as the stick.
 
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