Judge Orderes DOJ to Release Fast & Furious documents by October 22

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What is truly interesting is no major media outlet picked up this story or mentioned it in conjunction of the holder resignation. Have to wonder why...As this is truly news.
 
The decision is two days old. That Holder announced his resignation today, is no coincidence.

There are no coincidences in politics.
 
If this was House of Cards, I'm sure Holder would be consoling himself with vodka and an airtight garage.
 
Those subpoenaed documents won't be handed over. Congress will have to draw up a letter of reprisal and issue it to a militia force to go and seize them. None of those documents will be "volunteered". They will be destroyed first.

Your view of the situation might vary from mine.

Woody
 
I'm more interested in the implications this ruling has regarding the limitations on executive privelege. I think nearly everyone, regardless of their politics, would admit that the early claims of the Obama administration to usher in a new era of open government seem awfully cynical in retrospect.

I'd like to know what this ruling means for government accountability generally.

According to the judge's order in this case, another judge hearing the suit brought by the House Oversight Committee to enforce its subpeona saw fit to give the DOJ more time. I'm still researching what a "Vaughn index" is. Any comments on the larger imlications of this ruling?
 
Anyone here old enough to remember what happened in 1974?

I believe all of the questions regarding the limitations on executive privilege were answered then.

Nothing has changed except the players.
 
jhb said:
What is truly interesting is no major media outlet picked up this story or mentioned it in conjunction of the holder resignation. Have to wonder why...As this is truly news.
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you are half right. they did pick up on it but didn't mention it.
the hard drive got broken.
 
Going to be hard to get anything of value when whistleblowers have stated they witnessed people on Clintons staff destroying documents by hand.
 
The judge did not order the documents released. He ordered a list of the documents released:

Eric Holder was held in contempt. In July 2014, after two years of battling for information, Judge Bates ordered the Department of Justice to release the Vaughn Index by October 1. DOJ responded by asking for a month long delay in releasing the list with a deadline of November 3, just one day before the 2014-midterm elections. That request has been denied. A short delay was granted and DOJ must produce the Vaughn index by October 22.
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Vaughn Index, Defined:

A Vaughn Index is a document that agencies prepare in FOIA litigation to justify each withholding of information under a FOIA exemption. The term arose from a case captioned Vaughn v. Rosen, 484 F.2d 820 (D.C. Cir. 1973), cert. denied, 415 U.S. 977 (1974), in which the court required such an index to determine the validity of the agency’s withholdings in the case. Sometimes such an index can be useful in a non-litigation setting, though the Vaughn ruling does not require that agencies prepare an itemized index of withheld documents, in the context of the administrative process. A requester whose FOIA request is pending in the administrative stage of processing, is not entitled to a Vaughn index.

A Vaughn Index must: (1) identify each document withheld; (2) state the statutory exemption claimed; and (3) explain how disclosure would damage the interests protected by the claimed exemption." Citizens Comm'n on Human Rights v. FDA, 45 F.3d 1325, 1326 n.1 (9th Cir. 1995).
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http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...ous-documents-list-judicial-watch-october-22/
 
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The Vaughn Index appears to be a list of documents that the administration doesn't want the courts to get.

It establishes that documents do exist - you can't subpoena something that doesn't, and you have to ask for something by name. Once published, it's what can be wrangled over and determined if it can be released.

Taking some of your inference, it will be either a very short list, or one in which the most incriminating elements aren't mentioned. Rather like blind parents grilling their 5 year old if he painted the dog purple. If he let's the dog out and hides the key to the tool shed, they are going to have a tough time of it.

Basically the administration gets to admit which innocuous documents they are willing to disclose. The ones shredded can't and won't be admitted to simply because they are no longer identifiable. From their perspective they hope they can't be recovered.

Everybody keeps copies - even allies. Give it twenty years and the memoirs will quote them verbatim.
 
Unless we end up seeing Holder or some of his people doing a perp walk in orange jumpsuits for failing to comply with the judge's order, it will mean the judiciary is just as ineffectual and toothless as Rep. Issa's joke of a committee - the administration will continue to thumb it's nose with impunity at both the law and the other branches of government. (Oh, and as for Nixon & Company . . . whose side was the media on back then?)
 
Oh they'll release the list alright- not the documents but the list of documents... just not until AFTER the elections. Same thing they did with the effects sequestration cuts and Obamacare- the reality of which didn't hit the fan until November 10th or so
 
Holder's announcing his retirement has nothing to do with this. Like others, the end of this administration signals important, and not so important, members will leave to find other positions while their former bosses are still in place to help them get the best outplacement opportunities.

As much as We would like to think F&F is a big deal it is small potatoes compared to the big issues the DoJ and Eric Holder have been involved in.
 
jhb said:
What is truly interesting is no major media outlet picked up this story or mentioned it in conjunction of the holder resignation. Have to wonder why...As this is truly news.
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This sounds like Lois Lerner revisited in a different format. Another cushy "retirement" with no charges filed. :rolleyes:

Nothing to see here. Just move along. :evil:
 
Scary thought?

On Thursday, a caller on Rush's show theorized something that startled Rush so much, he fell silent for a couple of seconds. Then he admitted that this possibility had not occurred to him. The caller suggested that Holder's resignation was to free him up to be nominated to the SCOTUS!! :what:
 
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