Pick my Cans....

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Willie Sutton

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OK, brain trust of THL:

I was planning to buy a 7.62 Saker and an Osprey when I dump the sand outta my boots in April when I get finally back home to my friendly FFL, but as I've noted yesterday, I don't patronize companies that offer special deals to some of us and not to others. So since my value as an animal to Silencerco is apparently less than the value of other animals to them, I need to find another vendor. So help old Willie out:

Mission: Two cans, one for rifle and one for pistol.


Let's go with the pistol first. Needs to be 9mm, suitable for both M9 and Glock. Suppression value is important. I had picked the Osprey for it's form factor and ability to use the factory sights. Noting that I've about a half dozen M9's or 92's around, I might be interested in having high profile sights added to one of my slides. The successful "consultant" from the pack here will be able to solve not only the question of "what can" but also "what sights" and "who should install them". And *Yes* I know you can do without the sights, sort of... I'm not going to.

Simple enough? OK... let's press on.


Rifle: This is a bit more complex, I think. I want a 7.62mm can that will:

Offer good suppression in the 7.62x51 and 7.62x39, with more use on x51 than x39. Basic 7.62x51 platform for this will be a NM M1A. "Might" stick it on a Krinkov-Clone SBR in 7.62x39, noting that great suppression will not be the result there.

Offer excellent suppression on .300 Blackout, with a SBR barrel length on an AR platform.

Offer astounding suppression on a bolt action .300 Blackout rifle.

Offer usable suppression on my HK53 clone SBR (a 5.56mm C93 pistol with stock) as well as usable suppression and blast reduction on standard AR platforms ranging from SBR to 20 inch A1 versions. I have reasonable expectations as to these platforms.

Be quick attach on semi-auto platforms, meaning one of the rapid attach/detach systems. Will want a variety of muzzle attachments suitable for M1A, AR, HK, SIG, and others manufacturers. Would enjoy additional direct thread option for bolt action platforms.


In the end I will also likely end up with a dedicated 5.56mm can, but for now, this is it.



I like top tier stuff. Let's say that it's basically "cost no object", and your advice is sincerely solicited.

No Silencerco products will be considered.



Willie

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I would get a .45 can that can also be used on 9mm and other things. AAC TiRant would be my pick there. Will run quieter on 9mm than the 9mm version but also let you use it on .45 if you opt to down the road. Nothing wrong with the Osprey, I would get the .45 from them if it has adapters to let it run on 9mm also.

Tons of rifle options. I would check people's specs to make sure that it's good to run on SBR's. Some have limits as to how short the barrel can be in each caliber.

Saker would be my pick for what you're wanting but you removed them.
Gemtech or ThunderBeast if they haven't offended.
 
^^ Thanks, I'll look into that. I'm not terribly length-sensitive, would you also consider the 762-SD? It's a bit longer but seems to have better specs.


"I would get a .45 can that can also be used on 9mm and other things."

Contemplated, but my .45 platforms will likely deserve their own dedicated cans in the future (who could resist a suppressed Thompson anyhow?). The specs of their .45 can being quieter on 9mm than their 9mm can is interesting though and deserves further study. And there is that .45ACP Mauser project on the back burner too...


Who's solved the high-sight requirement for a Beretta? Must be a common requirement, yet my google-fu hasn't turned up any solutions. Shooting with both eyes open and pretending to use the occluded sights isn't my thing. Prefer real sights and am willing to dedicate a slide (actually a complete M9) to the tasking.


Willie

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Burris Fast Fire for the Beretta slide is an option. I never looked into high Beretta sights since it wasn't a need with the sight base I bought from a member on the Beretta Forum. It's a pic base that goes into the rear sight dove tail to let you put what you like into it.

For high sights you would likely have to go with a Vertec or Brig slide which has a front dove tail also which you can put a high one into.

I would look into the .45 to use on the 9mm and .45 unless money is no issue. Even then, I would get the .45 first and then a 9mm later if you feel you need a dedicated can for it.

I would suggest a .22 before anything else if you don't have one.

I spent much more on things which didn't turn out well so I would read a lot as to what works well and what doesn't before you tie up a lot of money in having things threaded which were no the best options. Lots is personal taste and use but I went overboard with some things that I could have done without looking back.
 
I'm picking the 7.62 Specwar over the Saker (and either over an AAC) as my next can. I don't have it in hand yet, so I can't say I have experience with it, but you may want to consider it, especially since you said you're "not terribly length-sensitive".

Very unfortunately/regrettably, I'm weary of AAC since the Freedom Group buyout. I wish them luck, but I'm going with a SilencerCo/SWR this time.
 
^^ To Ohen,

All good advice. I've already a handful of .22 cans, and have built several others (I have a Bridgeport and a lathe and know how to fill out a Form 1). This is just my first venture into factory stuff. Figure I might as well move past what I can make.


The .45 can makes all the sense in the world. I'll study with diligence and appreciate the input.

High sights are still a riddle to solve. I scored a pair of the older Beretta 92S's that are being sold surplus and would potentially dedicate on to a can, with sights as needed. And I can also simply buy a 9mm host if there are more friendly platforms, I just happen to have a handful of Berettas around. Ideas on that solicited as well.



"Very unfortunately/regrettably, I'm weary of AAC since the Freedom Group buyout."

Yeah... I get it. Pity Silencerco and my philosophies are at odds.


AAC`SR7 anyone? The 90 tooth ratchet and the other features seem to put it right where it should be.


No Surefire love?



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Sorry. I don't know how I missed your "no SilencerCo" in your initial post. I was going to edit my first post, but you had already replied.

What did I miss regarding SilencerCo?

ETA: If this is about the Blue Label program, I'd have to say the others are right :)
 
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^^ I don't buy from companies that offer unearned discounts to unarmed "first responders" and rent-a-cops, as it means as a non first-responder or rent-a-cop I get to subsidize their purchases. You think a Loomis security guard needs a discount and want to subsidize it? Buy from Silencerco.

According to others, it's mainly because I'm just a cranky old man ... ;-)


Watchman, I appreciate your advice: You sell these. AAC seems to have a fairly small list of compatable mounts (IE for H&K, etc). Is their web offering list all there is, or what am I missing?


Willie

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I have seen front sights pinned onto the existing slide and I would look at that option if you have the skills to do so on the Beretta. Could be a good way to go for them. IIRC, it's 2 small pins though the front sight to fix a taller one onto it and then an adj. rear.

Or, if you like Beretta pick up the M9A3 if it is sold on the civy market. Should be set out of the box, threaded, sights and all.
 
I shot my Saker 762 for the first time today, and I have to say, it's pretty sweet, it really quiets my shorter barrel .308 down more than I had expected. I understand being less than enthusiastic about companies that have that kind of preferential pricing, but on the other hand, if I refused to deal with said companies, not only would I miss out on silencerco but also Glock, and I loves me some Glocks.
 
For your rifles, make sure to look into the Griffin Taper mount cans like the Reece 7. Your first option of the Saker is a good one as well.

For pistols, high suppressor height sights are anything but necessary. I thought I'd need them too, but decided to wait until I got my TiRant to decide. Once I fired a few rounds with the can attached I quickly realized the high sights would be wasted money. My groups are essentially just as tight with the sights slightly obscured behind the can as they are without the can. Save the hundreds to outfit all your pistols and send me a thank you later ;)
 
High sights are still a riddle to solve.
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I was surprised how little difference it made if the can was a bit taller than the sights -- you are focusing on the front sight as long as you can still see the target things are fine. As my eyes got worse all my range toys now wear red dots of some kind.
 
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but what about the new Omega

Edit: Nevermind, I read to fast and skipped the part about silencerCo. Although the Omega sure does look nice and fits your needs perfectly
 
Thunderbeast arms just released their ultra cans this week. They are ridiculously light and have great sound suppression. They come in 5", 7" and 9" lengths. I shoot long range tactical matches (PRS Series) and they have a rep for being the best and most accurate for what we do. They're also priced pretty fairly considering you can get a 9" can that weighs under 12 Oz. or a 5" version that almost weighs what 22 cans did 5 years ago.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/news/introducing-the-ultra-series-shot-2015/
 
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^^ Thanks, I'll have a look.



Mile OTDP, dead right. See you in April at Pax, beer on me.


Willie

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Hey willie I forgot to mention you should also check out Mack bros. they're a pretty well respected rifle can with brake attach that gets hardly any fan boy attention onthe internet.
 
Fun Game....

Octane .45 for my pistol can. I shoot .45 and 9mm and like the click together baffles for cleaning. Would even shoot .22 thorugh it because it's "easy" to clean.

The rifle can would be an Allen Engineering suppressor. I'm not sold on quick attach mechanisms. I've seen too many suppressors stuck on barrels for me to be an adopter of the quick detach systems. I am sold on the 2 points of contact of the reflex suppressors, and I'm sold on the robust nature of the products Ron Allen has been making for decades. Not super light, not super sexy, but they work, they're robust, and when I shoot side by side with anyone with any other suppressor, they are still on par with suppression and tone.
 
Fun Game....

Octane .45 for my pistol can. I shoot .45 and 9mm and like the click together baffles for cleaning. Would even shoot .22 thorugh it because it's "easy" to clean. But since silencerco is on your do not buy list, the close second would be the TiRant .45 Just not as nice to clean in my opinion.

The rifle can would be an Allen Engineering suppressor. I'm not sold on quick attach mechanisms. I've seen too many suppressors stuck on barrels for me to be an adopter of the quick detach systems. I am sold on the 2 points of contact of the reflex suppressors, and I'm sold on the robust nature of the products Ron Allen has been making for decades. Not super light, not super sexy, but they work, they're robust, and when I shoot side by side with anyone with any other suppressor, they are still on par with suppression and tone. www.aesuppressors.com
 
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