First time I've heard this...what's next, assault pistols?

The incident occurred in Minnesota.

Minnesota has "assault weapons" law that define certain semi-auto firearms as "assault weapons".

So, the shotgun could have meet that definition.

From what I could tell the guns were
1) A stoeger pump action with a pistol grip
2) a Mossberg 500 (not used)
3) a Yimeng (what's that?)


They are all pump action shotguns!!!!!!!!
It's like calling a Mosin Nagant an assault rifle!

Names mean things in the assault on our Constitution.

No, no... that Stoeger had an automatically evil pistol grip, making it an assault shotgun...

Yimeng

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Looks like a chicom Ithica Clone

usmarine0352_2005 said:

Never assault knives or assault cars though.

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Sure, you must have heard of them. Just a little different verbiage but the same attempts to elicit an emotional response against the items... same as "assault weapons" or "saturday night specials". Consider the breathless manner in which the dreaded "SUVs" "run down" hapless and helpless humans. Also the manically described "combat knives" used in many knife assaults.

Todd.

So the Fuddinator used only pump guns. Good to know.

what's next, assault pistols

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Actually, I've seen anti-RKBA jokers use that term since at least the early 90s.

Ha. Here in CT, I carry a glock 21 and own supressors legally. But putting a threaded barrel into my glock turn it into an assault weapon and makes me a felon. The people who write the laws have no idea what they are legislating.

Take a look at a "three gun "match. The way those guys shoot shotguns is...impressive. Fun to watch but way past my skill level.

Some just might consider a shotgun, shot like that, as 'assault weapon" well demonstrated.

Mark

Here in Minnesota you can buy most traditional rifles and shotguns with just a drivers license and 4473. But you need a purchase permit (free) or carry permit to buy pistols and any long guns that have "assault rifle" features.

So yes there are some shotguns with the right "features" that could be considered "assault shotguns".
What's stupid is I need a permit to buy an AR but not a conventional Mini 14 even though they both shoot the same ammo and the same mag capacity.
Thankfully we don't have any registration requirements for anything that's non-NFA.

I have been to some Cowboy matches and watched these guys (and gals) use double barrels way faster than I can use a pump. Age and practice I guess!

Quiet said:

Minnesota has "assault weapons" law that define certain semi-auto firearms as "assault weapons".

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Thermactor said:

They are all pump action shotguns!!!!!!!!
It's like calling a Mosin Nagant an assault rifle!

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Wait a minute, isn't Sportsman's Guide based in St. Paul? THAT explains it! I always wondered how they got the idea that a stripped bolt for a 1903 Springfield was an "assault weapon part" and refused to ship it to me here behind the Granola Curtain in the PRK. Now it's all clear! Your legislature must have been infected by the same disease that ours has been suffering from the past 30-odd years!

Quick, kick the bums out & put someone in who can pass a high-school civics exam, before you end up like us!

Journalists would (and may already have) put "assault" in front of "hamburger" if they thought it would get their story just one more reader.

Due to the growing amount of competition between free online news sources and multi-billion dollar multinational conglomerates, the need to "sex up" stories has, in their eyes, never been more important.

The truth doesn't sell anymore - sensationalism does; and to the vast majority of the media, all firearms are assault weapons.

All of this is stupid in my opinion. Yes, the media uses language to make the guns used sound scary. However, don't most people here differentiate rifles by how they are used?

Many times people ask for good recommendation for a sniper rifle. People reply it's not a sniper rifle if a sniper isn't using it...

I'd say it's fair to say this nut assaulted something. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it matters what you call them, a guy tried to kill people.

what's next, assault pistols?

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Several states (or at least One) have already defined pistols with certain cosmetic characteristics as 'assault pistols'.
Generally it had to do with weight, barrel shrouds, being capable of accepting magazines above a certain capacity, or having a magazine in front of the grip.

When I heard "assault-style shotgun," I presumed we were talking about a Saiga-12 or other box-fed autoloader. (Is there a shorter term than "box-fed autoloading shotgun" for Saiga-12s and the like?)

Calling a traditional pump-action shotgun an "assault-style shotgun" may be accurate under the letter of state law, but it's still dumb.

Generally it had to do with weight, barrel shrouds, being capable of accepting magazines above a certain capacity, or having a magazine in front of the grip, and the thing that goes up

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Fixed that.

Swing said:

Actually, I've seen anti-RKBA jokers use that term since at least the early 90s.

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Yep, 4thPointOfContact pretty much nailed it ... In 1994, the AR pistol was classified as an assault pistol ... IIRC, any pistol that weighed over 52 ounces had a shroud that completely surrounded the barrel and had a mag-well outside of the pistol grip was an assault pistol.

kimberkid said:

In 1994, the AR pistol was classified as an assault pistol ... IIRC, any pistol that weighed over 52 ounces had a shroud that completely surrounded the barrel and had a mag-well outside of the pistol grip was an assault pistol.

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very close!
here's the phlegm that google hacked up:

Basically for handguns:
[o]Threaded barrel
[o]Barrel shroud
[o]unloaded weight > 50 oz
[o]detachable magazine

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Would not an AR pistol fit the Anti's definition of Assult Pistol?

Thermactor said:

very close!
here's the phlegm that google hacked up:

Basically for handguns:
[o]Threaded barrel
[o]Barrel shroud
[o]unloaded weight > 50 oz
[o]detachable magazine

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Well, once again ... third time is charm

splattergun said:

Would not an AR pistol fit the Anti's definition of Assult Pistol?

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Yes ... on every point. In fact the whole idea of an assault pistol came about because of the AR Pistol & HK SP89.

IIRC ... which I may not, it only took 2 of the points to reclassify a pistol as an assault pistol ... Once this became public knowledge it was pointed out that some target pistols were now classified as Assault Pistols such as the Walther GSP & OSP ... there were others but I don't recall them ... sorry, but I'm old

In the real world, "Assault" is a verb, NOT a noun. It is an action, not a name.
But in the Bizzaro World of liberal politics, words take on new and totally different meanings. I shudder whenever a liberal says, "Common Sense", or "Responsible", or "Sensible", or any other of their buzzwords designed to instill the definition that agrees with their agenda.
Letting the Liberal Antigun politicians make gun laws is like letting your plumber or garbage collector give you critical medical advice. He knows nothing of the subject!

In the real world, "Assault" is a verb, NOT a noun. It is an action, not a name.

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These quasi-lexical arguments get kind of silly. In "the real world" Assault can be a transitive verb, (to assault something), or a noun (committed Assault or an assault), and also adjectivally as in "assault rifle."

Seeing as the original name for select-fire carbines chambered for an intermediate level rifle cartridge was sturmgewehr, and that directly translates as "assault rifle" -- unless you're saying that Adolph Hitler (who seems to have first applied the term) wasn't "in the real world"-- that word is perfectly acceptable used as a adjectival modifier for the noun rifle. Or pistol or shotgun or hamburger if you really want to.

And we look very silly when we puff up the idea that there's some grammatical reason why we're smarter than the rest of the world for not liking that term.