Sun-Sentinel obsessed with the so called assault rifles

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I believe this is the second installment in a week or two about the dangers of assault rifles and possible renewal of the ban.

South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
Police take up assault weapons; some fear an arms race
Officers fear they could be outgunned by criminals

By Robert Nolin, Leon Fooksman and Brian Haas

South Florida Sun-Sentinel

September 23, 2007
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Suddenly, it seems, assault rifles are everywhere: in the news, in music videos, on MySpace pages. They are found in the hands of criminals and now, as a consequence, in the trunks of South Florida police cars.

The result is an escalating war of weapons one-upmanship, as the men and women of law enforcement try to avoid being outgunned on the street by lawbreakers.

In Broward County, hundreds of deputies are undergoing training on the sort of high-powered rifles originally designed for soldiers in combat. In Palm Beach County, where at least nine attacks with assault weapons in the past two years left at least six dead, the situation is even more critical. There, Sheriff Ric Bradshaw plans to purchase 1,000 assault rifles to arm his deputies.

"I've seen the trend developing for months," Bradshaw said. "We need to level the playing field right now."

The situation in South Florida is hardly the exception. On the national scale, "the idea of an arms race, that's not that far from reality," said Scott Knight, police chief of Chaska, Minn., and chairman of the firearms committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

The association, which represents about 20,000 police administrators in the United States and 88 other countries, called last week for the renewal of the 10-year federal ban on assault rifles that expired in 2004.

Assault weapons surged into the headlines in South Florida this month when a Margate man equipped with one gunned down a Miami-Dade police officer and wounded three of his comrades. The killer was shot to death by police that same day outside a Pembroke Pines apartment complex.

West Palm Beach Police Officer Mark Meyerowich, 48, knows firsthand what it's like to stare down the barrel of an assault rifle. In May 1997, he and four other officers were the targets of 100 rounds fired from an AK-47, known worldwide for its lethal effectiveness. No one was injured. The shooter pleaded guilty to attempted murder and was sentenced to six life terms.

"I thought I was hit and I was wondering why I didn't feel the bullets going through me," Meyerowich later said in a court hearing.

"People are getting more access to them," the 27-year police veteran said of assault rifles. "We live in a dangerous world."

That greater access has meant increased jeopardy for law enforcement. According to a 2003 FBI study, 41 of 211 police officers killed from 1998 through 2001 were shot with assault rifles. Those deaths occurred while the ban was in effect, proving what some critics of the ban have argued: that criminals will get their hands on the weapons, legal or not.

Criminals bearing assault weapons such as AK-47s are also a menace for civilians. Last Tuesday, in a dark parking lot behind a crime-plagued apartment complex west of West Palm Beach, two men opened fire on a car full of people. They killed two and wounded a third. One of the assailants used an assault rifle.

Authorities in Palm Beach County said the prevalence of gang activity — they estimate there are 160 gangs with 7,000 members — may account for the heavy assault rifle usage there.

The rifles the sheriff plans to buy with $600,000 in forfeiture funds are AR-15s, the civilian version of the U.S. military's M-16. Like all civilian assault rifles, they fire just one round per trigger pull; only military versions can be fired in full automatic mode.

But with magazines capable of holding 30 rounds, assault rifles can still lay down formidable firepower. On Jan. 1 this year, a luxury SUV pulled up to a house in Riviera Beach and at least two gunmen let loose with assault rifles. People fled. The only person killed was the one who couldn't escape the barrage of 37 bullets: an 8-month-old infant strapped in a car seat.

Broward hasn't seen a similar onslaught of assault weapon attacks, with this year's sole fatality attributed to one occurring on New Year's Day. Audley Ebanks, 69, of Fort Lauderdale, was celebrating in a Plantation backyard when he collapsed and died. Doctors suspected a heart attack, but later discovered a bullet had entered his shoulder and pierced his heart.

It came from an assault rifle. The case is still open.

"Our people are encountering them more often than they have in the past," said Elliot Cohen, spokesman for the Broward Sheriff's Office. "That's an increased danger to everybody."

The sheriff's office doesn't track the number of assault rifles used in crimes, but said they are seizing more. The agency has been arming personnel with AR-15s, and some 300 deputies have been trained in their use.

Even the small seaside city of Lighthouse Point, which in recent years averaged 15 violent crimes annually, purchased nine AR-15s in July and hopes eventually to outfit its entire 34-officer force with them, said commander Mike Oh.

Oh said the agency wants to be prepared for crime that spills over from neighboring cities.

In Miami, Police Chief John Timoney recently authorized his officers to carry assault rifles. That department reported the weapons were involved in 15 of 79 homicides last year. So far this year, they have been involved in 12 of 60 homicides.

The police chiefs association said in a statement that renewing the assault weapon ban "will prevent many of the senseless killings that wreak havoc in our communities."

Baker County Sheriff Joey Dobson, president of the Florida Sheriff's Association, said his group has yet to take a position on re-instating the ban, but that such a move would likely be endorsed by officers. "I would think law enforcement in general would probably be against being able to obtain assault weapons," he said.

One of Broward's largest gun dealers, Stephen Corn, owner of Guns & Knives and Arizona Shooting Range in Fort Lauderdale, has seen an uptick in sales of the expensive AR-15s, maybe because of the prominence of assault rifles in the news. Many buyers are "regular people" who want the weapons for the novelty, he said.

"A lot of people go plinking, they shoot for fun," Corn said. "Some people think it's a defense weapon, they could need it at home should there be a problem after a hurricane."

Street firearms have evolved to ever more sophisticated weaponry, said Art Hayhoe, director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. "It's a race for who can get the most firepower."

And the race is hardly over. The next in-demand weapon, Hayhoe said, is the .50-caliber sniper rifle, which can fire a bullet more than a mile.

"They're not as popular as the assault rifles," he said, "but they're growing in popularity and more and more are being sold."

Staff Writers Hemmy So and Mc Nelly Torres contributed to this report.

Robert Nolin can be reached at [email protected] or 954-356-4525.
 
The rifles the sheriff plans to buy with $600,000 in forfeiture funds are AR-15s, the civilian version of the U.S. military's M-16. Like all civilian assault rifles, they fire just one round per trigger pull; only military versions can be fired in full automatic mode.
Well at least they are the only media that got that part right.
 
The next in-demand weapon, Hayhoe said, is the .50-caliber sniper rifle, which can fire a bullet more than a mile.

"They're not as popular as the assault rifles," he said, "but they're growing in popularity and more and more are being sold."

Oh, well, gee, I had no idea these rifles were becoming so popular. Since they are being "sold" I infer this means the good guys are buying them legally?

Many buyers are "regular people" who want the weapons (AR-15s) for the novelty, he said.

Yeah ... like me; I bought my Bushie M4orgery after the November '06 elections ....
 
So firearms friendly Florida is a communist state now? Sheesh, what state isn't by this standard: publication of an anti-gun article in a local paper.
 
"According to a 2003 FBI study, 41 of 211 police officers killed from 1998 through 2001 were shot with assault rifles. Those deaths occurred while the ban was in effect, proving what some critics of the ban have argued: that criminals will get their hands on the weapons, legal or not."
 
What do you expect in the Communist State of Florida?


I respectfully disagree with this statement.

I am NOT a resident of Florida, however statements such as this do not reflect well on Responsible Firearm Owners, nor the folks we strive to Attract to Responsible Firearm ownership.

Florida took a lead role, and is responsible for the Model many States use For Concealed Carry Licensing and Permits.

FL noticed for instance how Tourists were being targeted with out of state license plates and Rental Cars with the Rental Co Sticker.
NON-Res FL, put a stop to Tourists being targeted, and real fast.

I use a Non-Res FL, and many others do as well, as it is one of THE best CCW to have. Nicest folks, well designed program and everything runs smooth in applicants getting a permit.


Florida, like elsewhere in the country, is going through another Cycle of Crime, and Society crying out for "do something".

Election is coming up, history shows, when Elections are near, all sorts of "hollering out" is going on.

Everybody want THEIR agenda met, and for some, it boils down to nothing more that Power derived from Votes and Fed Money.

South Florida Sun-Sentinel-

Needs a Reality Check.

Professional Folks, Be they LEO, FireFighters, EMTs - whomever have always needed, and always will need Equipment Upgrades to effectively deal with Society "Progress".

BGs in the old days had faster cars and better suspensions, So the Cops got faster cars with better suspensions.

WE did not cry out to "Ban V8s" and "Better Suspensions" - nope, met the needs head on.

Folks in multiple dwellings and fire, smoke causing injury and death.
WE did not "ban multiple dwellings" instead implemented fire walls , fire extinguishers, sprinkler systems, smoke detectors to assist FD in effectively assisting Society with fires.

Just the way history is. He who has the most firepower wins.
Long Bows beat out rocks and sticks.
Blackpowder beat out Long Bows
etc.

Like the Cold War - Deterrent - Now the Cops have the firepower to meet or exceed that of the BGs.

Evil will not run because folks "wish it away" or "ban anything".

Evil has to met head on, and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, needs to realize, it does not matter what something "is", what matters is the INTENT.

Is the INTENT of the Sun to support Gun Control?
Then call 'em on this, and expose them , as they choose to "expose" by mis-information others.
 
What do you expect in the Communist State of Florida?

No state bashing, please. My home state is not too bad in the area of gun laws. A little investigation would verify this as factual.

On to the OP: The media down here is going crazy. We've now had 6 shootings of police officers (2 fatal) down here in the last 2 months. The local news stations and newspapers are really stepping up their sensationalist fear mongering tactics. I usually don't read the sentinel or the herald because they're liberal rags. Camacho, thanks for the post. I'm going to leave a civil comment.
Here's the link to this article, with a bunch of other anti-nonsense on the page:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...sep23,0,5136282.story?coll=sofla_tab01_layout
 
Here's my response to this article:

I think it's important to note, that Assault Weapon Bans will only affect the people inclined to obey the law. The AK-47 used in last week's shootings was not obtained legally by Labeet. People that are disposed to commit crimes such as robbery, drug dealing and shooting Law Enforcement Officers do these things knowing that they are crimes. An Assault Weapon Ban will not in the least affect the availabilty of illegally sold automatic assault rifles in this country. I agree that police should have assault weapons. Some people do not obey laws and the police should have the tools they need to deal with this fact. To use fear-mongering and sensationalist language such as "arms race" is utterly ridiculous and irresponsible journalism. It is a dangerous world. Bad guys do bad things and use weapons that are illegally obtained. If gun control in any form truly worked, England would not have the highest violent crime rate of any 'first world' country. With the influx of illegal immigrants to the US and the accompanying increases in crime, one would hope that congress would not further repress the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens of this country to defend themselves. With the increased threat or terrorism in our country, why would it be a smart move to hamper the citizen's ability to defend themselves. Enforcement of existing laws would be more effective than enacting opressive new laws to affect those who are inclined to obey the law...
 
I also think that the State as a whole is anything but communist. The Southern part of the State, however, tends to be rather liberal at least on the level of politicians and the media.

Sun-Sentinel has an obsession with gun-control and uses every incident to advocate for more restrictions and outright bans which is a shame. Yet, when the investigation against the disgraced Sheriff was ongoing, you could hardly find anything about it. I had to read in the Miami Herald about it. The Sentinel is a very biased newspaper, and I read just to keep tab on articles like the one that was posted.
 
Black Adder is correct, Florida is a very gun friendly state with a Gun "unfriendly" newspaper. Why is the internet and "right wing hate radio" so popular? Because antigun liberals control them and obviously use them to move their agenda forward instead of simply reporting the news. Don't worry, there is quite a number of newspapers facing some difficult financial times and this is precisely the reason.
 
Our new papers do not reflect Florida sentiment in regards to gun law. Their circulations are rapidly falling and it's just a matter of time before our children will ask us what it was like in the olden days when news was digested and interpreted for you and delivered to your door step at the cost of a million trees.
 
What do you expect in the Communist State of Florida?

South Florida is to Florida what NYC is to NY State.

Matter of fact, most of the liberal anti-gun whack jobs IN South Florida ARE from NYC! :)
 
there are 123 reader comments for that article

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T1HDIG2BEN95ITQ3A


and while not a 'representative' of FL opionion
you can see quite a few people (some probably from this board, spending quite a bit of time writting the comments up there)

I think the point being made is about what exactly
an an automatic vs semi automatic, what could have been obtained during Clinton ban vs not, etc.
 
The basic problem is that while the population is fairly evenly mixed up between conservatives and liberals, the media have a marked bias towards iodiocy. It's not necessarily that their readers belive in those statements, but in the larger cities there tends to be more of a disconnect between reality and the media.

What I really wish someone would point out to them is that law enforcement started using "assault weapons" back during the Prohibition era (ok, maybe not an intermediate cartridge, but close enough). Show them a few pictures of FBI agents with BARs and Thompsons, and then try to get them to argue that this is a recent trend.
 
When the nihilists of the Destructive Generation removed the meaning of meaning from the socialization process the natural result was the 'state of nature'. The guns are not to blame, it is the p-poor non-socialization process initiated by the liberals. Rather than infringing on the rights of the citizens, why don't they increase the punishiment on the criminals?
 
These kind of articles just drive me crazy! First of all, as we all know, if its not fully automatic, its not an assault rifle. But, of course, "assault rifle" sounds way scarier than "semi-automatic carbine."
Second, these articles never address whether the "assault rifles" in question are being legally purchased. If they're already coming from the black market, which I strongly suspect they are, then a ban isn't gonna do squat. Of course, even if criminals are getting their guns legally somehow, a ban will just force them to get their weapons from the black market and it still won't accomplish squat. I just don't understand why some people think that criminals will obey gun laws when they're obviously breaking other laws. Like some criminal is gonna say "Well, I was gonna rob a bank, but they banned my AK, so I'll just stay home and re-evaluate my life." C'mon!
 
I sent this to the writer and posted it on the paper's forum:

Your story is full of compelling anecdotes, but short on perspective. The FBI Murder by Weapon Type statistics clearly show that rifles are responsible for only 2.9% of all murders. That is not limited to so-called assault weapons. That is all rifles of every type. The same statistics show that more people are beaten to death with bare hands and feet than are killed by rifles. More than twice as many people are stabbed to death in a given year than are killed with rifles and shotguns combined. Based on these well-documented facts, I am very comfortable in saying that your story is extremely misleading.

You also state that .50 caliber sniper rifles are in high demand among criminals. Do you care to back that up with statistics? I cannot find a single instance of a .50 caliber rifle being used in a crime anywhere in the United States. These rifles cost between $3,000 and $10,000. They are generally four to five feet long and weigh an average of 40 pounds. Ammunition tends to run about $5 per shot. In addition to the extreme cost, size and weight involved, it takes a great deal of training to actually hit something at that distance. Shots at over a mile require the shooter to consider the effect of the spin of the earth, gravity, distance, atmospheric conditions, wind, elevation and the muzzel velocity of the round itself when making the shot. Exactly how many street punks do you think have that skill set?
 
You know if I had the $$$ to do it, I'd repeat the message Black Adder wrote above on as many radio stations, and in as many newspapers as possible in FL..

The only way to get through to the public would be the same way the sentinel is, a media blitz...
 
After the leftist extremists ban so-called "assault rifles" and .50 caliber rifles, they'll ban hand guns; after that, they'll ban so-called "high-powered" rifles; after that, they'll ban so-called "high-powered" shotguns; after that...
 
^^^ high powered black powder muskets... bows... then slingshots... then machetes...

Man don't these folks realize that if *somebody* would make a law that made killing people illegal all this stuff would just go away???
 
Generally speaking, the news outlets and local government agencies all have a decidedly anti-gun bent down here in South Florida. I can't say for sure whether that actually matches the beliefs of the general population or not. Remember - The Sheriff of Broward County (the one that was just charged with several white-collar crimes) once pushed very vocally for a county-wide totalitarian "assault weapons ban".
 
I think it street punks were solely armed with .50 cal rifles life would be fairly safe can't really conceal them can you
or carry them very far either :neener:
 
according to wikipedia, an "assault rifle" is a military rifle capable of full auto or burst fire. (select fire...)

There is no such thing as a semi-auto only assault rifle...the term they meant to use is "assault weapons" ;)
 
They are just priming the public in anticipation of the dems winning the '08 election.

If enough people have been hearing about how awful assault weapons are for a year prior they will have come to believe it is a real serious ongoing problem that needs action by then.

The facts are not necessary. That most crime is commited with handguns which are more convenient to criminals and upstanding citizens can be ignored.

"Assault weapon" is also an undefined term that is subject to the interpretation of the user. So even though they may highlight a weapon we would assume is what they are talking about based on prior laws, the truth is the actual statistics can include any weapons.
In one person's mind all semi autos can be assault weapons and include handguns, carbines, and rifles. In another all guns used in an assault (that would after all make the gun guilty of being an assault weapon :rolleyes: )

So they are just priming the political atmosphere so implementation can be harsh and swift after '08.
As for police trying to "one up" them? Many departments across the country have had them since the North Hollywood bank shootout (which involved fully automatic illegal AKMs from abroad as well as some semi) where the criminals made good use of body armor. So departments realized the importance of having firearms capable of dealing with body armor available to field officers. Supervisors, and in many areas every cop, has had a semi auto rifle in the vehicle since then. What kind of rifle? Well the most affordable capable one available in bulk purchases, AR15 variants, and AK variants. The choice is one of logistics. AR-15 variants are the most common because of thier relatively low price and highly modular design which allows them to be easily modified to suite a department's needs.

Many departments, even those of smaller towns have "SWAT" teams too. The police have been becoming more militarized for almost two decades now, and it was at an even more rapid pace during the AWB in the 90's. So it has little to do with available legal "assault weapons" and more to do with a general culture change.

However if one was really intent on blaming the tool, the more accurate tool to blame would be the body armor that requires officers be ready to deal with thugs wearing it. The gangster rap culture has been promoting the wearing of body armor for over a decade now. It has long been illegal many places for criminals to wear it during a crime, or for felons to possess it. You can totaly outlaw it and officer's are still going to run into criminals using it, shocking I know.
 
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