Most gun-grabbers are not communists. Is the billionaire Bloomberg a communist? I don't think so."And, BTW, let's stop calling every idea we don't agree with "communist." Makes us look stupid."
Speak for yourself.
If it sounds like a duck and walks like a duck....it's not a sparrow.
Most gun-grabbers clamor towards socialism. They want the State to have all power to do all things they are unable to accomplish themselves Constitution and Bill of Rights be damned. Our definitions of communism/socialism obviously differ, I will continue to call things as I see them.Most gun-grabbers are not communists. Is the billionaire Bloomberg a communist? I don't think so.
This isn’t good. Why should the father have to move the guns out of the home?
If the father can prove his guns are legally and safely stored in the house and the juvenile doesn’t have access to them he should be fine.
I assume without knowing that the 18 y.o. was charged with a crime that was (allegedly) committed before he turned 18. Beyond that, though, this case does not revolve around a juvenile.article linked in the OP said:. . . .Domestic violence prosecutor Kimberly Wyatt in King County believes the red flag law should cover juveniles, the station reported. . . . .She said the case involves an 18-year-old charged with a crime whose father owns guns but who refuses to tell cops where they are still being kept in the home.
Granted in this case he isn’t cooperating because he is supposed to move them out of the home.
I'll grant that the father absolutely should take significant steps to ensure that the son does not harm anyone, but I'm pretty sure I'm not required to cooperate with the police. That's what the 4th and 5th Amendments tell me, anyway.The father not cooperating with the police to make sure his son doesn't harm anyone else indicates one possibility for why the son is screwed up in the first place.
I'm with you on this one. If I can be forced to move guns out of my home, or to allow warrantless searches (to validate "compliance") of my home, based on the actions of other adults, we have a problem.Yes, this is one of my great fears -- that disqualification criteria will be extended to everyone in the gun owner's home, or even to everyone in his social circle. There's a good chance many of us have one or more relatives, girlfriends, close friends, etc., that might not be100% mentally stable, that might have had past run-ins with the law, that might abuse drugs, etc. If we can be disqualified from having guns because of the failings of these other people, gun ownership in general becomes highly problematic.
What is this "parental proxy" of which you speak?I don’t think the situation is that deep. If I’m the homeowner, it’s my guns, and the warrant extends to me without due process it’s a slam dunk case of depriving me of my 2a rights. The warrant applies to me by parental proxy and that won’t be good enough in court.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, Due Process has been upheld in "post-deprivation" (aka "take first, have a hearing later") situations. Legally, it's a last resort, but it can legally be done in emergency situations.The way I see it is the anti-gun crowd will want to take your guns BEFORE you go through the determination process of whether or not you are mentally stable or not. That is not DUE PROCESS in our Country and we should never allow it.
Socialism is an economic system not a political system
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Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Yes but meanwhile they do it. You have to fight it in court. Does the average Joe have $10,000 or more to fight that?
I've seen this argument so much on so many fronts, ''it will lose in court.'' That takes $$ and not talking the equivalent of $ not getting the new model of iPhone XVI, especially considering the state has extremely very largely big deep pockets.
The average gun owner doesn't have to fight these things alone. When one is targeted, other gun owners can pool their resources to help him out. Such collective action is the key. Ironically, such "socialistic" collective action (all for one, one for all) can be used to fight the "socialistic" gun grabbers. Now, with things like Go Fund Me, large sums of money can be raised quickly in small individual amounts. We just need to become better organized.Yes but meanwhile they do it. You have to fight it in court. Does the average Joe have $10,000 or more to fight that?
The average gun owner doesn't have to fight these things alone. When one is targeted, other gun owners can pool their resources to help him out. Such collective action is the key. Ironically, such "socialistic" collective action (all for one, one for all) can be used to fight the "socialistic" gun grabbers. Now, with things like Go Fund Me, large sums of money can be raised quickly in small individual amounts. We just need to become better organized.
We were organized. It was called "America"...The average gun owner doesn't have to fight these things alone. When one is targeted, other gun owners can pool their resources to help him out. Such collective action is the key. Ironically, such "socialistic" collective action (all for one, one for all) can be used to fight the "socialistic" gun grabbers. Now, with things like Go Fund Me, large sums of money can be raised quickly in small individual amounts. We just need to become better organized.
I don’t think the situation is that deep. If I’m the homeowner, it’s my guns, and the warrant extends to me without due process it’s a slam dunk case of depriving me of my 2a rights. The warrant applies to me by parental proxy and that won’t be good enough in court.
I also cant help to wonder if they will be taking reloading presses-powder n ammo also?