“Carbine” Classes...?

[webrx]

Just a thought, and not looking for a flame here - I know give an inch etc.

Maybe we should be using "Carbine" when discussing the AR, it gets away from the AR = Assault Rifle mindset (I know and you know that is not what AR means), maybe it will sound a little less threatening to the gun grabbers. anytime someone says AR in the news it gets the nasty assault style rifle moniker, etc

AR-15 is not what first comes to mind when I think Carbine but in reality, it does fit. of course they will probably just find a way to spin that also, so, maybe not.

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[RCB]

And not all AR platforms are carbines. It is interesting how things like that develop. Here most people will simply say AR. Though I do get a little disappointed when I hear "I got a new rifle" to find an AR platform. Not that I don't like them, but sometimes I like to see the unexpected, like some new discovery. My youngest son (6) has called several of my pistols "glocks" meaning that they were simply pistols (and I don't own any polymer pistols). Except revolvers. He loves revolvers and lever actions.

 

[webrx]

wife sent me a pic, that she got off of some local forum, shows a glock, says, since we are redefining everything in America, we should call that a cordless hole punch. I think we could call the AR a high speed wireless security enhancer. An M4 or 16 in burst mode could be a 3 hole punch also.

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[RCB]

They're just portable physics labs.

 

[Coyote3855]

It’s asinine when folks complain about something before they even take opportunity to get firsthand insight into it. What’s the point of judging someone based on your assumption they would judge you? Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

I’ve been to something around 12-15 “carbine classes” in the last 22-23yrs. I’ve seen all manner of things in these courses. In the late ‘90s and early ‘00s there were a lot of SKS’s and Mini’s, some old Ruger Police Carbine, M1 Carbines, and a relative balance between AK’s and AR’s. Saw some M1a “Socom’s” when Springfield dropped them onto the market, and of course, when the Federal AWB dropped and the modern era of the civilian AR began, we’ve seen a tide shift to have most courses dominated by AR’s. Lots of folks run lots of things. I’ve seen a couple guys running a scout rifle - a stickshift - in a carbine course.

Maybe actually go to a class and see if you actually get treated like an outcast by actual asshiles before you go online and denigrate others for something that never actually happened.

Wow, that's harsh. I didn't get anything like that from JCooper1911's post. Just an old coot rambling, no harm intended as I read it.

 

[taliv]

Wow, that's harsh. I didn't get anything like that from JCooper1911's post. Just an old coot rambling, no harm intended as I read it.

well, maybe he didn't mean any harm, but he did try to redefine the term 'carbine' to equal 'AR' when clearly there are many ARs that are not carbines, and many carbines that are not ARs. And he did say carbine classes are AR classes, when they aren't, despite leaving the reader to assume he'd never attended one. And then he impugned the character of attendees by saying they'd laugh derisively at the use of antique carbines. perhaps they would, but i doubt it.

harsh? maybe, but certainly correction was to be expected

 

[cdb1]

By some definitions, maybe most definitions, my AR-15 and Marlin Model 336 with 20” barrels are carbines. I think of them as rifles though, always have and always will.

My interpretation of the OP follows the same line of thought as Varminterror and taliv. It’s also not based on one post but based on the tenor of many of the posts I’ve read by the OP.

 

[jmorris]

While I have taken classes from some very talented people, as accomplished shooters as well as some that were great instructors as far as teaching/transfer of knowledge is concerned; however, I think competition, in whatever for, or fashion you desire is far better.

If, once you’ve been at it awhile, want to take classes to advance in the game, you now have at least a good grasp on what questions you should ask.

 

[MistWolf]

I think of (carbines) as rifles...always have and always will.

This is correct. Carbines are a type of rifle.

 

[gyp_c2]

My youngest son (6) has called several of my pistols "glocks" meaning that they were simply pistols (and I don't own any polymer pistols). Except revolvers. He loves revolvers and lever actions.

OK, when my son was about two, he played with lil' plastic soldiers and when I asked him what kind of guns they were he picked up one with a pistol and said,"dat's a handgun". I picked up one with a rifle and asked what's this one?
Without hesitation he looked me straight in the face and and said " eyegun".
From the mouths of babes.

 

[Ignition Override]

JCooperfan1911:

Maybe the word "Carbine" (a code) has gained popularity among many gun owners due to the massive, coordinated campaign of distortion and deception regarding AR-15s by the mainstream "media".

The photo of your very cool Carbine causes me more regrets for not being more aware of the CMP, and their Carbines' availability in 2008 or so. The gun bug never bit until 2007 (age 52).....