10/22 and a scope

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Greetings,

I had posted this on another site and got some great answers.
Figured I'd run a similar question here...

Long story short...
I took a trip to the range this past weekend and had the opportunity to try out a "USBR" target at 25 yards for the first time. I had My 10/22 (Wal-Mart special, S.S. 22 inch barrel, etc.) with me, but a gentleman at the range let me use his tricked out 10/22 (He's the one that introduced me to this whole USBR mess :D).
It was great and now I'm looking for a scope. I'm working on a budget of about $100.00. The scope on the rifle I used was a Tasco 6-24 type. Beyond that, I don't know exactly what model it was.

As far as the Tasco's go, I'm looking at their "VAR624X42M" model shown here: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=156666&t=11082005

And the "TG624X44DS" shown here:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=243266&t=11082005

I need to learn a lot about optics and am wondering about the 1/4 & 1/8 MOA difference in scopes. Based on the type of 10/22 I have, is it that much of a difference when all is said and done? Scope wise, am I looking in the right direction? Is this "too much" scope? Anything I should know about? Is there another brand/type in my price range I should also look into? I'm pretty much lost in the woods when it comes to this area of firearms and the shooting sports. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In addition, some people suggested the "Mueller APV" scope. They had some great things to say about it. Found one here, seems like a good deal:
http://www.oneclickshooting.com/proddetail.asp?prod=8933199

Oh, before I forget. I'll be using this at 25 & 50 yards (yeah, that's pretty much a given with the .22 LR), but I'd like to try it out at a hundred for smiles now and then.
 
I think 6-24x is way too much magnification for a .22lr scope. 24x is 1000 yard stuff. I have a 3-9x on my 10-22 and it's plenty (have a better 3-9x on my 7mm-08 deer gun too and thats plenty for 200yd shots). 4x is about ideal for a rimfire IMO.
1/4moa vs 1/8 is the click adjustments. 1 MOA is about 1" at 100yds, so 4 clicks would move it 1" at 100 yards on the 1/4 moa one, 8 clicks on the 1/8 version, just finer adjustments.
If you can get a lower power scope with clearer optics for the same price that's the direction I'd go.
 
You don't want 1/8 MOA clicks at 50 yards. That translates to 1/16" movement for each click. You definitely want a scope with an adjustable objective. Get the Mueller. Be happy.
 
I ain't real picky about scopes on my .22s. On my Remington I have an old range finding 3x9 Bushnell Sportview. It has the bullet drop compensator on it. I can set it on zero and it's good for 25 yards and a little low at 50. I can set it on 200 and it's good at 100 yards or also at 25 with CCI CB short. That's kinda cool since I can instantly set it for what I'm shooting and how far.

Yeah, even 9 power is high on a .22. I have a 1.5x4.5x22 Bushnell on another .22 that is neigh on a perfect scope power wise for .22 duty. That's a danged fine scope on a big rifle, but I put it on a .22. I like larger objectives on my deer rifles for low light situations.

I have a .22 mag that came to me with a Bushnell Trophy 3x9. Its clarity is quite impressive, seems a bit better than the sportviews of the past.
 
Most people have a tendency to want too much scope. Previous posters mentioned clarity. I'd like to add recticle choice to the mix. Figure out what is best for your application.
I don't own a 10/22 (yet?) but have one I'm using. It's for my brother & has my dads scope (from the 60's) on it. Before shooting it for the first time my brother mentioned how fine the recticles are. They don't block out any of the target. I shot some awesome groups with it.
Later,
WNTFW
 
I have 3 of thoses Tasco scopes, they work very well.also 1/4 by 100 yds, adjustments, is divided by .5 at 50 yds, and .5 again at 25 yds., so that is pretty small adjustments at 25 yds. I wouldn;t worry about it.
 
I say again, the most important feature to have on a .22 scope that will be shot inside 75 yards is an adjustable objective, especially if you are wanting to shoot really tight groups. You want to be able to focus and eliminate parallax at the distance you are shooting.

I disagree that you can have "too much" scope on a .22. I have an old(er) Leupold Vari-X III 6.5-20X40 scope with adjustable objective and fine crosshairs on a Remington 541T, and it is a great combination both for indoor targets (50 feet), outdoor targets, and squirrel hunting. Both the magnification and objective are used variously across their entire ranges.

That said, you can probably have "too much" scope for any single application. My 10/22 wears a Burris 3-9X scope, again with adjustable objective. And my CZ 542 American sports a Mueller APV. All these scopes work as intended (at least thus far ... the Mueller is still fairly new) and the Mueller seems to be a very good scope for the money.

Finally, I had bad experiences with Tasco scopes early in my shooting career (granted, on centerfire rifles and shotguns rather than .22s) so have chosen to never own another. And IMHO, mil dots are a waste on a .22. They were designed for estimating distance "way out there." I prefer simple cross hairs on a .22, and finer is better. Some swear by Tascos, others swear at them. Ask your question over at rimfirecentral.com, and I'll bet you get a lot of support for the Mueller.
 
If you do a search at rimfire.com I'm sure you well find that the Mueller AVP is the most popular scope for bench guns. Here's a link. They are running $115 now with free shipping. I have had a Simmions White Tail Classic and a Bushnell Trophy 4X12X40 on my 10/22, the Mueller is much more scope, the clarity is just great.
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I'd suggest going to a store near you..if there is one...and actually looking through several scopes.A hands on purrchase will let you see different reticle types,weight of the scope,that kind of stuff that you just can't do over the phone or 'net.
If the store has equpment to mount the scope correctly that is a plus as well.
 
Wow, thanks for the replies everyone!
The Mueller APV is looking better and better, I think that'll be the one.

Next step would have to be ring selection and actually installing it. At the least, I would use the base that came with the 10/22. This would be my first time mounting a scope, I've been reading up on how to do it... but I need to read a lot more. Alignment, lapping if needed, sighting it in, etc.
But I have heard some rings/setups do not need the usual steps to set it up.
Someone mentioned "Burris Signature Zee Rings"? And I heard of a mount that is one piece and has rings already aligned? Anyone know of this one? I heard it costs about $50.00.
 
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I prefer mil dot reticles on my .22s, because .22lr drops so much. A standard reticle post obscures the target if you need to hold over. If you zero at 50 or 100 and try to shoot at 100 or 150 (respectively) you're out of luck unless you have a mil dot or similar.
 
I agree with OpFlash. So for a mil dot around $100. Sightron has one in 3-9X40mm S1 variant. It just so happens that is what I have on my 10/22. It's clear as a bell and about as perfect as I could hope for in .22lr ranges.
 
My 10-22 ain't accurate enough for 100 yard shooting. 4 moa is about as good as the thing gets. I ain't gonna dump 400 bucks on it for barrels and such, got more accurate rimfires that WILL shoot close to 1 moa right out of the box. Both are Remingtons, an old 512X and a 597 magnum. I don't see ranging being a problem as I'm not going to shoot more'n 50 yards with a 4 moa rimfire. I left my 10/22 scopeless, the only rimfire I own without a scope. I wanted it for an iron sighted gun, bang around gun. That 597 magnum shoots flat enough that I sight it for 100 yards and it's less that 2" high at 50. And, if I REALLY want to range something, my Bushnell laser gets me within 1 foot at 400 yards, or something like that. LOL Accurate, anyway. I don't even know what the trajectory of that magnum is past 100 yards, don't intend to shoot it any farther. If there were prairie dogs to pop around here and I really wanted to shoot 'em, I'd play with it at 150 and 200 just to know, but there isn't. I might get to use it on long range jack rabbits out west sometime, though, never know. :D I traded for it, didn't really even think I'd have a use for it and was intending to sell it until I shot it at the range and fell in love with its accuracy and flat trajectory.

Okay, that has nothing to do with 10/22 scopes except that I don't see the need for mil dot reticules on a 10/22 unless you have some money sunk into the thing to make it an accurate rifle. Mine is out of the box stock and I just got it for an iron sighted plinker. My old Remington bolt gun, that's the one I have the bullet drop compensator on and I have settings down if I wanna do 100 yard shooting with it, but in the field, I just use it for small game, squirrel, and don't really need more than 50 yards of ranging. Will get closer if I'm more'n 50 or just not take the shot. If I had to shoot 100 yards, I'd take the magnum.
 
The 22LR is a less than 100 yard gun. I really don't see a reason to have that much magnification inside 100 yards for anything other than a bench rifle. I went with a 1.5-4.5x Bushnell on mine and it seems perfect for field use. I will be taking it rabbit hunting tonight so I will get to see how it actually performs outside of paper punching.
 
For squirrels I like to have the extra magnification of a 3-9 power for searching higher in the treetops and squirrels that are hugging limbs hidding. Many times you can be talking about a 50 yard shot in some of the taller Oaks. My eyesight is 20/20, but sometimes it can also be hard to tell what is a squirrel and what is the tree.

Rabbits are always on the ground or in the ground. A 1.5-4.5 would be good for rabbits.
 
That makes sense. They also blend in to heir surroundings better than rabbits. I don't have trees around here so I don't have squirrel opportunities.
 
I don't have trees in Colorado either, but I am from SC and fully intend to be back on the east coast soon.

I must disagree with Legionnaire if you intend to hunt with the rifle. Target shooting and an Adjustible Objective is great. If shooting at a moving target, or something that can run away(ie change it's range from you) then as they change range you are going to need to adjust the objective for a clear target picture. If you have a squirrel or rabbit on the run, adjustible objective is not what you want.
 
I have to add that my preference for a mil dot (or a ballistic plex, etc.) comes from the fact that I shoot clays from 100 to 200 yds (when there is no wind of course) for fun with an accurate bolt rifle. For a stock 10/22 to hunt with 50yds or less a 4X standard reticle is fine, in fact that is what I have on my stock 10/22.
 
Andrew S i don't know about squirrels blending in better than rabbits. When i was a kid three of us were hunting rabbits in the middle of winter. The field we were in had short dead grass with clumps of grass about a foot or so tall. We only had air rifles to hunt with.

We spotted a rabbit and spread out to surround it. The rabbit ran to clump of grass and stopped. We moved closer and closer until we were on top of the grass clump. Guess what? NO rabbit. He simply disappeared. We pulled up the grass thinking there was hole under it. Nope. Gone.

The only thing we could think of is that the rabbit belly crawled away without 3 pairs of eyes spotting it. Rabbits blend in very well.

If you are square behind a scope lens there is no apparent paralax. A paralax adjustment makes up for not holding the rifle in such a way that you are looking straight the the scope.
 
I don't have much experience with squirrels. I am just guessing in that department and trying to remember back to when I was like 10. Rabbits are quick though. Thats for sure.
 
The 22LR is a less than 100 yard gun. I really don't see a reason to have that much magnification inside 100 yards for anything other than a bench rifle. I went with a 1.5-4.5x Bushnell on mine and it seems perfect for field use. I will be taking it rabbit hunting tonight so I will get to see how it actually performs outside of paper punching.
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I have one of those, really neat scope. I have it on a AR7 Charter Arms .22 rifle now. It has been mounted on a Spanish 7mm Mauser and an SKS in previous applications. I love the low magnification for hunting inside 50 yards. I can spot 'em with 10X bonocs. I have 3x9s on other .22s because they were laying around collecting dust after I bought better scopes for high powered rifles. LOL But, on that bolt gun, it's so accurate that the bullet drop compensator is fun at the range. It never gets off 3x in the field, though.
 
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