10mm or 357 mag

[357 Terms]

"irrational hatred for this round" LOL really mach1v!? you seem to have a little bit of misconception about the abilities of the 10mm, and the platforms its available in, comes with fanboyism

 

[Cryogaijin]

357 seems to be under the impression that if a round doesn't do anything unique it is "Dying" Well, then the vast majority of arms out there would be "dying" atm, since there is a TON of overlap all over the place. There are reasons the term "Ballistic twin" is around.

There are things the 10mm can do the .357 can't.

There are things the .357 can do the 10mm can't.

And for the record, there is a better selection of 10mm up here than .357. This includes inexpensive bulk ammo, which I haven't seen for .357 in ages.

 

[hardluk1]

For me the 10mm has no place for a CC gun Even the sub-compact glocks as good as they are still are not light or thin and don't offer the grip for many. I can make quicker follow up shots with darn near any 40 cal 45 or 9mm on the market when like sized. Don't expect the first shot to do.

For hunting atleast in the lower 48 ,give me a 6 to 8" revolver And a max load 357 well do atleast what a maxed 10mm can do with better BC and bullet choices more accurately.

So for me the 10mm shines as a trail gun or for a fisherman in grizzly country back up or a travel car/truck gun offering high cspacity and good power. If the 10mm and the 357 won't do then 41 mag, 44mag or 454 on up . All of these would be better for alaska along with bear spray.

Its just another choice no the greatest .

 

[Jason_W]

I recently purchased a Glock 20 in 10mm. It's my first semi-auto handgun and the grips fit my hands better than any stock revolver I've tried thus far. As a result, I shoot better with the glock than I do with any of the .357 revolvers I've tried.

Don't get me wrong, I think revolvers and the .357 mag are great (the .357 is an amazing dual platform round that becomes a whole new animal from a carbine) but I think performance wise the difference between the two rounds when fired from handguns with equal length barrels is academic hair splitting.

The .357 has an edge in terms of sectional density, and the 10mm has an edge in bore diameter.

Eventually, I'm going to outfit my Glock with a 6" barrel and an optic and take it deer hunting, just to be different. I'd venture that inside 50 yards, a deer hit in the vitals with an appropriately loaded 10mm will have the same end result as one hit with an appropriately loaded .357.

 

[jmr40]

Oh and jmr40 do some better research my sp101 is the 2.25 version.

I did my research, here is the link.http://ruger.com/products/sp101/models.html

I do apologise, I got 1 line off and your gun is 2 oz lighter than I originally quoted, but is still heavier than the G-29. The length I quoted is right.

I used to own a gun just like yours until I started chronographing loads and found I was getting 38+p velocities with a lot of noise with the short barrel. My current G20 is 2 oz heavier than your SP with only 1/2" longer overall length. (still much smaller and lighter than any 4" 357). I am getting 1300 fps from 200 gr bullets (chronographed, not guessing).

I have 357's, but wouldn't consider one with a barrel shorter than 4". If you re-read my original post I clearly stated that a long barreled 357 was a better choice than the 10mm as a hunting gun. As a SD weapon against either 2 or 4 legged predators either Glock is a much better gun than a snub 357. If you don't mind the extra weight or length a longer barreled 357 or larger caliber revolver is a valid option.

 

[CraigC]

What we need are some new Gold Dot designs. I'd like to see them offered in 200gr and 220-230gr weights, JHP and JSP designs. For sixgun shooters like myself, who need a good cast bullet with a crimp groove for use in the .38-40, a better selection of cast bullets would be nice too.

PS, a 135gr Sierra at 1600fps makes a wonderful varmint bomb!

 

[357 Terms]

Ammo selection? There are more bullets available for the 38/357 than any other caliber. Its not just the weight, bullet profile and material also must be considered. I have loaded 187grn wide nose flat piont hard cast gas check bullets at 1300fps that stunned me with the amount of penetration they delivered, more than a 10mm would acheive. As to there being a market for the 10mm auto; why doesn't S&W make them anymore Kimber? if there was a market than Ruger, Taurus and many others would manufacture and sell them, they dont. In a previous post Mach4 suggested he thought his Witness was mechanically capable of 1 1/2 in groups at 100yrds,doubt it . You could put that Witness in a ransom rest and shoot all day and not acheive that, now a Freedom Arms mod.97 yes. I dont mean to step all over you fanboys; some of ya seem a little delusional.

 

[hardluk1]

357 Terms I like a 357 but a hardcaste is not a general use bullet. ITS Not for defence, not for deer, unless you like to trail running bleeding deer. Use it on a piggy or black bear hunt and it is right at home. Brakes bone and pentetrates very well. Control expantion or heavy cheap soft points and good hp work fine for hunting too when velocity is at 1400fps and above for longer shoots. Just sight in at 75 yards.
Guys with glocks should be changeing barrels brands with shooting lead.

All right mach4 chip in here. 10MM's
Kimber
Colt
Witness
EAA-K2
Dan Wesson 1911
SW 610 revolver
Glock

And I ain't even a 10mm fan
Bet if Les Baur was asked he would and Ed Brown too

 

[357 Terms]

Lol I never said it was used for deer or defense! Just said that I was surprised at the penetration. Just another example of the versatility of the 357.
Wow hardluk thats alot of 10mm manufactures,almost as many companies that make 357 LEVER ACTIONS!

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Regarding size of the weapon and todays choices for CCW, I fail to see how a 2.5-3" bsrreled SP101 or K frame, as somewhat reassonable examples of a .357, are going to be easier to conceal than a Glock 29. The J-frame guns CAN be lighter, and smaller, but they are not usually fully capable fighting guns (they either don't handle well, people have a hard time performing well with them, and others just dump them because they want a more controllable gun with less pain). Tjhe G29 does not jump out of my hand, does not cause pain, is accurate as hell, and holds 11 rounds. No .357 in a smaller package compares to that.

 

[MachIVshooter]

you seem to have a little bit of misconception about the abilities of the 10mm, and the platforms its available in, comes with fanboyism

Please, enlighten me.

I know exactly what it's abilities are, and they are the same abilities as the .357 Magnum from a ballistic standpoint. You keep citing penetration; Do you really think the 10mm lacks penetration with a 230 gr. WFNGC hardcast bullet at 1,200 FPS?

I'm quite familiar with the platforms, having shot most of them.

I already told you I actually own more .357's than 10mm's, and more 9mm's and .45's than either, yet you insist that I'm a "fanboy". I guess if that's what having enough experience with a cartridge to know what it is and isn't means, then guilty as charged.

You still have yet to give us a good reason you're so adamantly against a round that is the autolader equivalent of your pet. I've easily refuted everything you've thrown out so far, so c'mon, let's have it.

Until then, I'm just getting a few chuckles out of your diatribe. Of course, there are no valid reasons, just personal preference, so I'll just continue to be amused until you give up or this thread is locked.

 

[IMTHDUKE]

I got this one over the Delta Elite I was considering.
SW 627 PC 357mag x8 with moon clips. Use mainly as a house gun. Only wheel gun I own.

 

[357 Terms]

Mach4; just shoot that Witness at 100yrd and tell us how ya do.

 

[JShirley]

I would want a longer barrel on a house gun...

 

[MachIVshooter]

Very nice, IMTHEDUKE. In addition to the capacity advantage, N frames really tame even the hottest loads, too.

Mach4; just shoot that Witness at 100yrd and tell us how ya do.

That's the best you can do? Now that I've debunked all of your bogus reasons, you choose a comparison between two firearms (not the cartridges) that neither one of us can prove and that says nothing about either round, but about the guns firing them. Do you even know what a steady hand it takes to print respectable groups at 100 yards with a handgun? I do, because that was my sight-in and regular practice distance with my scoped Desert Eagle Mk XIX .50, which turned in an average 5-shot group of 2-9/16" @ 100 from the bench.

 

[357 Terms]

LOL debunked? LOL "i'm not worthy". I will bow to your ifintile er.. infinite wisdom.

 

[JShirley]

Heavy 10mm loads are supposed to work pretty well from a carbine. Would think a 4-6" barrel would still put a 180-200gr into a target at 100 meter with authority.

 

[357 Terms]

Sure they would, I am just interested if a elite 10mm pistol can shoot as good as a top of the line 357 revolver, seems like you limit the cartridge if the platform can't deliver at a range that it is still effective. I know some 357 revolvers (and the right shooters) can shoot small consistent groups at 100yrds, can a 10mm?

 

[Jason_W]

Sure they would, I am just interested if a elite 10mm pistol can shoot as good as a top of the line 357 revolver,

I'm sure both are more accurate than I am.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I'll put my $500 Glock 20, or 29 for thast matter, against a similarly priced .357 revolver. Forget the ELITE, high buck stuff, let's shoot the "everyman" guns; the typical .357's or 10's we might find on the hip of the blue collar guy. Anyone want to do 50 yard comparisons? I don't have a machine rest, but I can shoot two hands over bags, or bag up the gun front and rear and get some steady groups. 50 yards is a good enough standard, as power from either at 100 yards is probably marginal for big game, and I don't take 100 yard shots on game animals without a scoped firearm anyway. Let's do it, and post them on this thread. Anyone in?

 

[357 Terms]

Sharpdresed; where are you in NE Ohio?

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Wadsworth, OH. Come on over; we'll shoot in the backyard!

 

[Too_Pure]

I'd take the .357 for the sake of practicing with cheap .38 special.

I've always wondered about the value of practicing with a loaded down powder puff in comparison to what your going to carry. Isn't it better to not be schocked when you pull the trigger on a full powered .357 or 10mm?

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Well, that has been the theory for many years. The "experts" say practice with what you'll be using. Probably, the truth lies in the middle. You can get a TON of practice in with lighter loads, and not wear out your gun as fast. It does make sense to sight in with full power loads, so you know where you'll hit, and to be familiar with them, but even if I practice exclusively with lighter loads, I cannot see myself being "shocked" by the high powered stuff going off when I am fighting for my life in a gunfight. I'll have WAY more important things to scare me, shock me, and worry about than MY muzzle blast.

 

[357 Terms]

Wadsworth, thats a trek. How bout halfway? I'll show up in a suit and poorly tied tie?