10mm v 357 magnum

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Dear THR,
Between 10mm and 357 Magnum, which is more suitable for defense? Which has more stopping power and devastating effect on the BG?

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What your asking is literally akin to questioning wich truck would run someone over better a Mack or Kenworth?

The real answer as always is whichever you shoot best and have with you at the time.
 
Yeah but the one has 9+1 to 14+1 brothers, the other has 4 to 8+1 brothers. I of course subtracted one because the brothers don't include the first one.
 
Yeah but the one has 9+1 to 14+1 brothers, the other has 4 to 8+1 brothers. I of course subtracted one because the brothers don't include the first one.

One comes in something like FOUR ccw sized platforms (if that many) the other is offered in multiple sized guns from small to large by pretty much everybody.

The same also applies to SD loadings.
 
The 10mm is a larger diameter, faster moving bullet that out performs the .357 magnum as well as being a personal favorite round of mine. That being said you should by the .357 unless you're a reloader. Hollow point rounds (I'm assuming that's what you'll be carrying for defense) are generally designed around and tested using the FBI Ballistics Test Protocol and are all capable of similar ballistics these days. To get the most out of 10mm you're going to have to create your own loads, not buy them from a store. If you reload then the possibilities of ballistics are very wide, if not then it's very narrow. The .357 on the other hand can be bought in varying degrees of ballistics far more readily available and at a much cheaper price.

10mm:
More expensive
More versatile for reloaders
More readily available in auto loader platforms
Limited, but high quality and mid to high range of expense for firearms selection
More accurate (shouldn't be that much of an issue when in close range defense but good for target shooting) than many .357 magnum loads.
Superior self defense ballistics only if using non-hollow points.
Smallest CCW is the Glock 29C (as far as I'm aware).
Can shoot .40 S&W and .357 Sig with generally simple conversions.

.357 Magnum:
Less expensive
Wide variety of ammunition.
Wide Variety of firearms available, ranging from cheap to expensive, low to high quality.
Revolvers are considered far more reliable (depends on who you buy from, how well you care for your firearms and a bit of luck)
Ballistically inferior in terms of self-defense as far as non-hollow point ammunition is concerned.
Somewhat less accurate at long ranges (you shouldn't need to shoot a bad guy at over 21 feet much less 75 feet) but still has a wide range of accurate loads.
Can shoot .38 special, .38 long and .38 short without conversion.
Can find long guns chambered in .357 magnum.
Can find small revolvers and large revolvers, a very large selection of both.
 
Demitrios, doesn't the 10mm have quite a bit more penetration? to the point of being more than advisable for defense against people?

Lost Sheep
 
The 10mm is not more accurate, its the platform not the caliber. :scrutiny:

And no, the 10mm does not have better penetration, the 357 has better sectional density and a much longer list of bullet choices that will hold up better at high velocity, most bullets people shoot for the 10mm were designed for the .40.
 
I would rather carry a Glock semiauto than a revolver, so easy choice.
The Glock 29 is packable / concealable and offers 10 + 1 capacity
Full power 10mm is just as (if not more) powerful (KE) than .357 mag and it is 1mm bigger (must count for something ;) )

From the Hornady website:
357 Mag 158 gr. XTP @ 1,250 fps from 8'' barrel
10mm 155 gr. XTP @ 1,265* fps from 5'' barrel

*That ^ 10mm load actually chronographed faster than advertised from my Glock 29 SF with only a 3 3/4'' barrel; I got a 5 shot averages of 1,279 fps and 1,278 fps.
 
The .357 does offer one compelling advantage over the 10mm - the ability to use 38 special ammunition for practice. Practice, particularly practice with the very gun expect to use, is arguably the primary difference between a hit and a very loud miss. There are few people, who do not reload, who can afford to shoot a 10mm nearly as often as they could shoot a more common round.

I suppose you could find a subcaliber conversion for a 10mm pistol (say, a .40 or 9mm barrel for a glock) that would allow the same advantage, but it'll likely cost a couple of hundred dollars to do it.
 
There are a wide variety of loads available for either and they pretty much equal and overlap each other in performamce. There are mid-range loads for either that are more than adequate for SD from human attackers so it really comes down to the delivery system.

I've found a Glock to be far more reliable than any revolver, they hold almost 3X more ammo, are lighter and shorter with less recoil. Glocks are more accurate in rapid fire.

A 357 revolver will equal a 10mm with the best loads from a 6" or longer barrel, but not from shorter barrels. The 357 from a long barreled gun is a better choice as a hunting gun. When slow fired in single action will give you more accuracy and long barrels will give a slight edge in power.

The 10mm is a much better SD cartridge and multi-purpose round. A 357 from a long barrel offers a slight edge on larger game. To gain any real advantage over 10mm in a revolver you have to move up to a much larger round.
 
The 10mm is a larger diameter, faster moving bullet that out performs the .357 magnum

No, it doesn't. Both top out right at 800 f/lbs from normal sized guns (5-6" tubes)

doesn't the 10mm have quite a bit more penetration?

No. With the heaviest bullets used in either (200 and 230 gr.), the .357 will have a slightly higher sectional density (.224 vs .205) and a little more velocity (~1,300 vs. ~1,200).

However, either round with these heavy-for-caliber hard cast bullets will deliver amazing penetration.

Ballistically, it really is splitting hairs to call one of these two better than the other. It boils down to platform choice.
 
As others have said, the two are close enough in performance that I'd select other criteria for narrowing it down. How common are the two rounds in your area? Most likely .357 will have the edge here (10mm is practically non existent in my parts). Do you reload? If not, .357 and .38 will be less expensive. Even if you do, picking up brass gets old so the revolver platform gets the nod here too, for me anyway.

In the end, your best bet will be to try differing platforms chambered in these different rounds. I really can't say what will work best for you, because as an example, my experience is the exact opposite of jmr40's above:

- I've had far more malfunctions with autos than revolvers, particularly polymer frame autos
- Given similar cartridge power, Glocks have more felt recoil to me, simply because they feel like holding a 2x4 - the ergonomics are just flat wrong for my hands (great guns, just not for me)
- With a Glock, I can't hit the broad side of a barn from inside with the doors closed - I shoot .357 revolvers better at any firing rate, slow or fast. Again, this probably has something to do with the ergos that don't work for me.

Two different people, two different experiences.

Also,

Between 10mm and 357 Magnum, which is more suitable for defense? Which has more stopping power and devastating effect on the BG?

Neither are "wonder rounds" that will "devastate" a bad guy just by their power. Only hits count, same as any other round. In the end, I keep my .357s and .44s stoked with heavy special loads. I shoot magnums or specials with about equal accuracy, but I can make follow-up shots quicker with specials, so that's what I stick to. If you find that you shoot 9mm, .40, .45 or .38 notably better, slow or rapid fire, I'd stick with those calibers in your chosen platform, as I believe someone is better served by a more sedate chambering they can shoot instinctively well than a loudenboomer they can't hit the target with.
 
Ballistically, it really is splitting hairs to call one of these two better than the other. It boils down to platform choice.

Yep.


From Buffalo Bore;

Glock model 20 4.6 inch barrel - Heavy 10mm Ammo - 180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1311 fps

4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun
Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps

Similiar sized platforms, similiar ballistics.
 
Lost Sheep, depending on the weight of the bullet and how heavily either round is loaded, the 10mm potentially can have more penetration.

357 Terms, while I agree that the platform has a lot to do with accuracy the 10mm has a flatter trajectory out to farther distances, I made sure to specify that for he was looking for i.e. defense, the distances really aren't an issue. Also my Dan Wesson RZ-10 is in fact more accurate than my 6" Dan Wesson 15-VH2 out to greater distances.

MikeJackmin, the breech face on the 10mm allows it to be easily converted (especially for a Glock) to .40 S&W and .357 SIG (the .40 and .357 can share magazines and recoil spring). However the .357 Magnum can also shoot .38 Special, .38 Long and .38 Short.

Ballistically the 10mm is closer to a .41 Magnum rather than a .357 Magnum. However if you don't reload or are using only non-hollow points then it's completely moot. You will get the same performance on a human body with the 10mm as you will the .357 Magnum time and again.
 
depending on the weight of the bullet and how heavily either round is loaded, the 10mm potentially can have more penetration.

Incorrect.

while I agree that the platform has a lot to do with accuracy the 10mm has a flatter trajectory out to farther distances

Incorrect.

Also my Dan Wesson RZ-10 is in fact more accurate than my 6" Dan Wesson 15-VH2 out to greater distances

Anecdotal example of two very different guns that does not account for any variables. FACT: No cartridge is inherently accurate or inaccurate.

Ballistically the 10mm is closer to a .41 Magnum rather than a .357 Magnum.

Incorrect.

You will get the same performance on a human body with the 10mm as you will the .357 Magnum time and again

Truth.

Yes, I do have a dog in this fight. On both sides; I own three .357 Magnum handguns and five 10mm handguns, and have spent a lot of time loading and chronographing both cartridges.
 
MachIVshooter said:
No, it doesn't. Both top out right at 800 f/lbs from normal sized guns (5-6" tubes)

No. With the heaviest bullets used in either (200 and 230 gr.), the .357 will have a slightly higher sectional density (.224 vs .205) and a little more velocity (~1,300 vs. ~1,200).

However, either round with these heavy-for-caliber hard cast bullets will deliver amazing penetration.

Ballistically, it really is splitting hairs to call one of these two better than the other. It boils down to platform choice.

MachIVshooter is right on the money.
 
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10mm tends to be quieter because you don't get the side blast out of the revolver. In a confined space I prefer a 10mm over the mag.
 
10mm tends to be quieter because you don't get the side blast out of the revolver. In a confined space I prefer a 10mm over the mag.

Yeah.........I'm wearing ear plugs for either. Both 35k PSI cartridges with similar charge weights. The difference in volume between the two as far as hurting ears is like comparing the pain between an injection from a 16 ga and 14 ga needle; They both hurt!
 
Boy, you plan better than I do. I always envisioned that the BG would be in the house breaking down the bedroom door with the house alarm wailing when I made the final call for the 10mm. Earplugs would be one of the last thoughts I would have had if I went for my 10mm.

But, you do make me think that a spare set of muffs in the bedroom would not be a bad idea.

Even double-plugged (muffs and plugs) firing both the 10mm and 357 mag in a shot house was painful. It was like getting whacked in the head with a rubber mallet.
 
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