110 SWAT Team raids TODAY

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Based on information compiled by Radey Balko, that's the number of SWAT team raids EVERY day. How many go to the wrong address? How many raids hurt innocent folks? 1%? 2%? 10%? Nobody knows because MOST of the raids aren't reported, especially when they go bad.

Dallas SWAT hit the wrong address the other night ON TV and just shrugged it off. Ho hum. Not that big a deal to the police. It's not their house.

Looks like the Atlanta raid is coming apart at the seams. The informant now says he never bought drugs there and the police asked him to lie. Can't be...right? So at the VERY least the police are using flaky informants to conduct these VERY dangerous raids.

This nonsense needs to stop. This is dangerous to the Republic.
 
It's practice for when they come to get your guns.
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A year ago, I'd have told you to adjust your tinfoil hat and look out for black helicopters. Today... I doubt that the officers in question are "training for when they come for our guns", but I do believe that the "higher-ups", especially in blue/urban areas, could very well be thinking that.
 
pcosmar: I agree, and the first step of that training is indocrination to ignore the constitution... then it must be ingrained that citizens are inferior (ala hr218 and such), and that rights don't exist if a judge signs a piece of paper.

For those who think most cops would ignore an unjust order to confiscate firearms, just think of NOLA... and of course CA, DC, Chicago, Etc.
 
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I quit wearing my tin foil hat when I kept picking up the All Elvis All The Time radio station from Vega.

Seriously though, I believe that the point of the SWAT raids, Road blocks and Air Line security is to make sure that the people realize that SOME animals are more EQUAL than others. :scrutiny:
 
Although I am led to believe that the majority of SWAT team raids probably go to the right address, there is a simple cure to the ones that don't.

FIRE THE GUY WHO SCREWED UP.

Simple as that. If,

like in Atlanta, the cop swears that an address is home to a drug dealer and is wrong.....Fire him. Then sue him.

If the Confidential and Reliable Informant (CRI) screwed up........Take him off the list of confidential and reliable paid informants. Publish his name......then sue him, (If he survives).

If the pencil pusher transposes an address in the office........Fire him. Then sue him.

If a judge perfunctorily signs a warrant like in Atlanta........Impeach the $umb!tch, then sue him.

Simple as that.

Demand accountability and accountability will be provided.

(also, the dead wood and incompetants will be fired and sued). Simple.

Unaccustomed to it as it may seem, .gov service should be an unacceptable place for deadwood incompetants.
 
QUOTE]FIRE THE GUY WHO SCREWED UP.[/QUOTE]

How about indicted, find guilty and incarcerate? Add any who cover-up (accessory after the fact) That will be the only way to gt the PD's to WAKE UP! They are not special and should be held to the same legal standards as the rest of the peons.

The police are supposed to be professionals, the apologist say this all the time. How about they act that way. The poor Ba%!@@^ going through the door is not the guy to blame. Someone else made the decision for him to GO.
 
Radley Balko? :rolleyes:

He claims there are 110 a day, and there is a huge problem of the cops getting them wrong, yet he can only come up with 300 raids he thinks were screw ups over two and a half DECADES.

Isn't math fun, and educational.
 
Okay, so let's ignore those ~300 botched raids, the innocents' financial losses incurred, and the innocents killed. Surely those in the past and those in the future are a small price to pay for us to eventually win the War on Drugs. After all, in a war, you have collateral damage.
 
Math frequently serves as an unintentional distraction to the import of the issue.

300 families negatively affected by botched raids is a huge problem, no matter how many "legitimate" raids were carried out.

Besides, Balko doesn't cite a problem with botched raids specifically, but with all paramilitary style raids, and their ever increasing frequency, in general.
 
Well the first time Balko's editorial was brought up on this forum I did a little quick math:


http://www.cato.org/index.html

"Cato is also releasing an interactive raid map that plots nearly 300 examples of mistaken raids since the mid-1980s, including 40 cases in which in innocent people have been killed, 20 cases in which offenders with no history of violence were killed, and 22 cases resulting in the needless death or injury of a police officer."

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

"These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate . . . "

Let's look at what these numbers really tell us. (assuming Balko hasn't "fudged" the numbers which is quite possible considering his penchant for distorting the truth to fit his agenda.)

Assuming the 40,000 per year number is only for recent years, let's assume it averages to 15,000 raids a year since the mid 80s. That's 300,000 raids in the last 20 years.

300 mistaken raids means a 0.1% error rate. No person, or group of people is perfect, but that error rate is pretty damn close. It's certainly MUCH lower than the "1%? 2%? 10%" the thread starter was ranting about.

Further, how many of these raids were actually knock and announce where the occupants refused service of the warrant, and the officers were required to use force to enter the premises? How many were NOT served by a tactical team, but by everyday officers/agents doing their jobs?

Unfortunately many folks, including people participating in this thread, equate any forced entry with a "no knock" warrant, and a SWAT team. However, that is far from the truth. Look how many people were screaming about SWAT over the warrant in Alanta last week, but it was NOT a SWAT team that served that warrant. I've also seen many people on this forum get wound up about a no-knock warrant in other threads, when in reality it was a knock and announce where the occupants refused to admit the officers to serve the warrant, so the officers had to force entry.

I'm not asking anyone to ignore the ALLEGED 300 errors, I'm merely pointing out how very low the error rate really is.

Also, if you want a zero error rate then you must want the police to NEVER serve a warrant, because that is the only way to get the error rate to zero. If that is what you want then you are asking for anarchy.
 
Worked for Bush

Doesn't work that way. In .gov, you fail upwards.
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That's called a FUMU. F^^k Up, Move Up.

Not going to quibble the statistics since they can be skewed to benefit either side, that's what statistics "can" be all about.

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If you haven't said all there is to say about this issue in the 163 posts in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=236976

Which was closed about 11 and a half hours ago, or in the 113 posts in this thread which was closed a little more then 12 hours ago:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=236739

Then I don't know what to tell you. When threads run that many posts and are closed because enough is enough, you guys should take the hint and not start again so soon. I don't think you can possibly say anything that hasn't been said in one of the other closed threads.

Jeff
 
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