Swat raids galore. You might want to think on the following.

[ilbob]

Your next option, competing with SWAT, may not be a good option, but it may be the only one left.

Its a good bet you will eventually lose a firefight with the SWAT team. They have a lot better weapons then you have, and there is just you, and they have unlimited resources.

And remember, regardless of who was really at fault, the victor gets to write the history. That is just the way it is.

Better to deal with it through the political system in a non-violent way.

 

[v8fbird]

"Better to deal with it through the political system in a non-violent way."


My POINT was you CAN'T deal with it through the political system.

SWAT breaks down your door, they shoot your son "accidentally," the judge dismisses the case ruling it unintentional, and you lose your civil suit.

Go ahead, deal with it. What do you do? Write your representative?

I also AGREED you can't win the fight. But there are times when it doesn't matter how much you WANT to surrender to the police; they aren't having it. What do you do then?

You guys keep making the SAME POINTS, i KEEP AGREEING, and YOU MAKE THEM AGAIN.

 

[50 Freak]

I remember when policemen didn't wear black masks and balaclavas.

Ain't that the truth.....

Quote:
heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers

When I see inflammatory statements like this, its hard to take this guy seriously as any sort of analyst. The truth is that LE doesn't know if the guy behind that door is watching ESPN or holding an illegally modified full-auto AK. To not have body armor, helmets, communication devices, and horrors! rifles and subguns would be foolish.

I'm sorry, but maybe the SWAT guys your neighborhood dress in nice pink outfits, but the ones in my neighborhood wear masks, army fatigues and body armor and sport military styled weapons. I don't see this original statement as incorrect.

 

[Art Eatman]

v8fbird, the ONLY way you "deal" with it is to find enough people who are as concerned as you are, and raise a ruckus via the newspaper and TV--and show up at the public meetings of your City Council en masse and gripe. That's EVERY meeting, not just one and drift off...

You find candidates for Mayor or for the Council who agree with you, and campaign for them.

Art

 

[ilbob]

My POINT was you CAN'T deal with it through the political system.

You can't deal with it AFTER the fact.

You can get together with other voters and put an enormous amount of heat on the politicians regarding this issue. The politicians don't really care whether these kind of raids go on or not, and they have the power to eliminate them (or at least most of them).

 

[tellner]

There are several reasons why we have pretty much outlawed democratic, free and fair elections in this country. So simply "voting in a change" doesn't work. When you live under tyranny, the tyrants don't let themselves lose power.

Your next option, competing with SWAT, may not be a good option, but it may be the only one left.

We've had authoritarian brutal regimes in this country. We've had ones that respected freedom. We've never had a successful revolution made up of disorganized individuals and almost certainly never will. There is a time when armed resistance is the only answer to tyranny, as Hubert Humphrey said. I do not think we are there. It is not easy to organize and build. It's much easier to destroy and go down in flames. The first is more productive. Think Joe Hill - "Don't mourn. Organize." Think of that famous leftist cartoon where a big fish chases a school of little fish but a group of little fishes makes up an even bigger fish that chases the bully.

It's not easy. Nothing is assured. It requires the recovery of something we lost almost 30 years ago - the consensus to work together with people we disagree with for the good of the Republic. It won't work, and there really is no hope, if we are ruled by fear rather than hope and wedge issues whose sole aim is to divide rather than the important things we need for freedom, peace and prosperity.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

We've had authoritarian brutal regimes in this country. We've had ones that respected freedom. We've never had a successful revolution made up of disorganized individuals and almost certainly never will. There is a time when armed resistance is the only answer to tyranny, as Hubert Humphrey said. I do not think we are there. It is not easy to organize and build. It's much easier to destroy and go down in flames. The first is more productive. Think Joe Hill - "Don't mourn. Organize." Think of that famous leftist cartoon where a big fish chases a school of little fish but a group of little fishes makes up an even bigger fish that chases the bully.

It's not easy. Nothing is assured. It requires the recovery of something we lost almost 30 years ago - the consensus to work together with people we disagree with for the good of the Republic. It won't work, and there really is no hope, if we are ruled by fear rather than hope and wedge issues whose sole aim is to divide rather than the important things we need for freedom, peace and prosperity.

Wow. That was probably one of the most intelligent things I have ever read here.

 

[No_Brakes23]

Because if you go for your gun you are going to die.

Cory Maye and Charles DiGristine both shot and lived. One is on death row, but neither died at the hands of SWAT. It is unlikely you will best SWAT, but your demise upon resistance is hardly a foregone conclusion. Your statement isn't too far from, "The BG will just take the gun from her, so she shouldn't carry at all."

Obviously, most folks not Re-Ac trained are gonna be dazed from the flash-bang, and may be covered before they can even arm themselves. But, if I have the presence of mind to defend my family from nighttime intruders, I hope to do so. Remember, criminals are not above getting SWAT-like outfits and calling themselves the police. (It happened not too long ago.) The last thing I want to be thinking if I see someone forcibly enter my kids rooms is "Gee that might be a cop, I better let him do whatever he wants."

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising beats Concentration Camp, to my way of thinking. (Yes I realize that is an exaggerated analogy, but it fits.)

I hope to never be involved in a wrong address no-knock. But that won't stop me from using my 2a rights to enable a quick and harsh refresher in 4a rights for anyone forcibly crossing my threshold.

Sadly, I don't think no-knocks are going away until more high-profile mistakes are made.

 

[Thin Black Line]

Remember, criminals are not above getting SWAT-like outfits and calling themselves the police.

I also recall some guys dressing up as "Bail Enforcement Officers" and
raiding someone's home. Not sure if they were BGs doing dress-up or
some actual bounty hunters gone rogue. In any case, they weren't
doing bail enforcement and it was a home invasion/robbery.

Again, you have a situation with guys breaking into your house in tactical
gear, pointing weapons, and barking orders as if they had some authority.
Bad thing for you to find out it's BS after the fact. We've also had some
reports of the BG driving a car that looks like the police and pulling women
over around here --again. I've heard of this in 2 of the last 3 states I've
live in. Happens late at night on the country road. Only advice I can give
is call 911 the second the lights come on behind you and have dispatch
verify that an officer is actually pulling you over. Keeps everyone in
the loop.

I'm not worried about an accidental no-knock at my place since most people
can't even find my house with directions, a satellite photo, and MGRS
coordiantes --during the daytime!