1200 round basic pistol class - bring compact ccw or long slide hd pistol?

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Hi,

I recently signed my wife and I up for a 1200 round 2 day basic pistol class, mostly for her benefit, since she has to be alone for a few weeks at a time while I'm on work trips. Recently we had a random drifter walk through our gated backyard and this has prompted her to have an increased interest in self defense.

I've already taken this class and the level 2 above it, in addition to being a former FFDO and Sharpshooter level IDPA competitor (shooting .40 in SSP :rolleyes:), so I consider myself reasonably competent with handguns, but nothing exceptional. I can't decide whether I should shoot my M&P 40 compact, which is my daily CCW or my M&P 40 core with tlr-1s sight and Trijicon RMR, which is my backup HD weapon (a 14.5" ar-15 with a light and aimpoint being the primary). My wife will be shooting a 5" barreled M&P 40 pro if it matters, she seems to do OK with the bigger .40 in the practice sessions we've had so far, and she preferred shooting the M&P 5" pro to the HK USP, HK P40, or the smaller M&Ps (also she's left handed).

On one hand I think shooting the m&p compact 40 ccw would be beneficial because it's the handgun I carry everyday in an IWB holster, it's still big enough to be reasonably comforatable shoot especially with a full sized 15 round mag grip extension on the reloads, and it's probably what I'd be mostly likely to use in a self defense situation simply because it's always there except when I'm sleeping. I've had the gun for about 8 years and it has S&W installed night sights.

On the other hand I'd really like to torture test the .40 pro with the Trijicon RMR and see how well it holds zero over the course of a lot shooting, and how well I shoot the red dot in pressure situations. Also it weighs a good bit more and would be easier/more comfortable to shoot while putting a lot of rounds down range in a relatively short amount of time. It has backup/cowitness night sights.

What would you recommend?

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course description:

Shooters are drawn through the skills needed to safely deploy a handgun. We will move through this class in a simple to complex manner. Topics start with basic shooting fundamentals such as grip, stance and trigger control. Students are individually evaluated to demonstrate their ability of accuracy, and consistency. Within a short time the student will be introduced to drawing from a holster, proper weapons manipulation, malfunction techniques, and reloading.

As this class progresses, multiple targets are added to instruct the student on the proper engagement of one, two, and three target engagements. The student will also master moving and shooting techniques and target assessment. Moving targets will also be incorporated as well as the importance of the use of cover. As the class progresses we will use a timer to evaluate the progress of each shooter. When this class is completed, each shooter should progress in his or her ability to safely handle and deploy a handgun in any given situation.
 
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Sounds like you're playing from the ladie's tees... why not handicap yourself a bit and shoot the CCW?

I think you'd get more from the practice and keep yourself a little closer in performance to the Mrs... if that matters. And if she smokes you, you have a built in excuse.

Any reason you can't bring both and switch out on a whim? Especially since they're just the same gun in different configurations.
 
Buy a weak side holster and go through the class using the weak side as your dominat hand. You will greatly increase your ability, and will be challenged. As a natural lefty, I did the majority of my classes as a righty. It really has helped.
 
I'd be shooting the full size just for the comfort factor; no way I'd want to shoot 1200 rounds out of anything smaller than a G19 size gun at the smallest.

But if you are SS level in IDPA, I agree that you have enough experience to make this decision based on your own present goals and experience level and probably aren't going to learn anything you didn't already know from this thread.
 
First; definitely take both guns!

From a training perspective, since you have been through it, and a level above already, I'd do most of the class CCW with IWB holster and from concealment (if they'll allow it).

If this was your first time, then my advice would be reversed, most of the class with the HD gun to focus on learning the fundamentals with an easier to shoot gun and some CCW runs.
 
Thanks for all the advice, I will try to shoot the class with my .40 compact ccw I think, taking the 5" pro as backup. I like the idea of shooting left handed but I'd be a hard pressed to procure a holster in time at this point.

The class is being put on by Tiger Valley in Waco btw, they do this class every month or so. It will be brutal this time of the year but we live in the area (a litte further south even) so we're used to the heat.
 
Def take both- same caliber anyway, you can really experience the limitations of each gun during the instruction you paid for.
 
It's next weekend, I'll report back. Doing a lot of bill drills and other exercises with the compact to get ready; introducing the wife to drawing from a holster etc.
 
Yeah, if someone shows up and can't even draw or hit a target at 15 yards then it holds the class back. Just want to make sure bases are covered.
 
Training for wife?

Good on you for getting training for your wife, but my thought is that if you "pretrain" her with what you do, and the instructors at "school" want or expect something different, will she get overwhelmed or flustered or disappointed ?

I've never had any formal training myself, and have shown my wife how to shoot safely, and when my eldest son who is Medically Discharged from the Army (who was the Battalion Firearms Instructor) gave us BOTH some additional training and instruction she got kind of frustrated with the way he taught his men "in the real world"

And yes my son did two tours in Iraq and most of one in Afghanistan, until his second IED "incident" ended his career in the Army. (thankfully, he's all in one piece and mostly functional), but just saying he's Been there Done that so he definitely knows what needs to be done better than I do and teaches different methods.
 
Just got back. It rained both days on and off but it was actually better than the typical 105+ degrees in my opinion.

My thumbs just about exploded from loading 2000+ rounds in magazines for the two of us (she loaded what she could but has trouble topping mags off to max capacity).

I shot OK but was obviously a bit rusty. I mostly used the compact IWB. Something odd happened about 400 rounds into the course, the Left side slide release on both mine and my wife's M&P (mine the compact, her's a pro) blew off. The next day the right side slide release on mine came off too. So both guns will have to go back to S&W. From what I've read it's a recurring problem with these guns, unfortunately. She didn't notice her left release being gone since's she's left handed, unfortunately I'm not. The pistols still functioned, but it was annoying not being able to lock the slide back without an empty magazine.

Anyway, I was pleased with the massive improvement in my wife's shooting from beginning to end. She enjoyed the instant feedback from shooting steel targets (almost all was done on steel at 10-20 yards) and the instructor was good about observing problems and correcting them. At one point he even brought out a dueling tree and my wife beat me on it the first time! She hit her 3 plates over to my side in 5-6 seconds with no misses and I was helpless, haha.

Anyway, it was fun despite the slide stops blowing off. I shot 80% of class with the compact. The pro with the Trijicon RMR is definitely more accurate for me, very tight groupings especially at 15+, and ringing steel on the 80 yard target the instructor setup was a 90%+ proposition with the 5"/RMR vs about 50% without. It would've been a lot easier shooting the 1200+ rounds with the 5" heavier gun but I'm glad to have tested myself with the compact.

Main things I learned about the compact -

1. Center hold (front sight covering the target) can be annoying for precise shots, much prefer to be able to split the target with the top of the front sight, might be ordering a sight set with a taller front for the compact.

2. Red dot is a lot more accurate at long range but also about .5 seconds slower for me at close range. (1.8 vs 2.3 draws from cocnealment).

3. Pocket reloads are about 1 second slower than from a kydex mag pouch (concealed).

Wife easily doubled if not tripled her lifetime round count and is definitely proficient with a pistol now, so the training was a wise investment in my opinion.
 
The slide stop is a pretty easy part to change out... personally I wouldn't bother sending it back to S&W for that.
 
When my wife took classes, I was fearful or the class being a loading exercise, rather than a shooting exercise. Her initial choice for a weapon for class was a S&W 686. She loved it, until it went to weak hand only. She did not have the trigger finger strength to shoot it. That said, I build a speed loader reloader, so she could shoot - rather than load.

She then moved to a 1911. The mag is fairly easy to load, but you are going to load a LOT of them. It is also a reason I bought 50 10/22 mags. When you go to Appleseed, learn to shoot - rather than load mags.
 
Definitely another vote here for the uplula; best 35$ accessory on the market... load magazines all day with nary a hint of discomfort.
 
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