12GA Rifle From HELL--

[hubel458]

The pricing I've checked shows that none are
cheap, even if you start with shotgun frame.
And putting doubles together without experience
and equipment is so time consuming that I can't
do it and have time to do my other dozen deals.
And I have a Zabala 10ga double, which years ahead
I may do a monoblock process on it for a 28ga FH
rifled slug gun. Even thought of doing just the
right barrel to have something different.10ga
shot, 28ga slug combo.ED

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of a jacketed hollowpoint
12ga slug a fellow is going to make for us.
We hope to have tooling set up this summer
we plan on. Next to it is a 600gr Dixie hardened
slug. First ones he will probably make will
be about 700-750 gr.Ed

 

[hubel458]

The hollow pointed slug above can have a
light plastic/rubber nose for streamlining for
better BC, for 2-300 yard shooting.
In the 87 Win Levergun, smooth barrel,
long barrel, using brass RMC 3" cases,
1 oz Brenneke KO slug to 2700 with 4227
powder. Shotgun primer. I will be getting
some 3.5" RMC brass that he will put a special
longer corner radius in, to allow faster loads
with less case expansion and easier resizing.
Should get same slug to 3000 and resize
easier also. With shotgun primer able to use
4227, and you WON"T have to rework hammer
or firing pin to do big primers.ED

 

[hubel458]

Santa sent me 9 more PROP cases used in little
cannons for bomb disposal. In pic, 2 on the left
are our originals, next 3 are resized PROP
cases, exactly matching ours, and then 9
to be resized. Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of the Enfield bolt,
showing the 2 rear lugs I added.
The huge bolt handle base is 3rd lug.
Bolt handle needs polishing.This one
will be in the action for the 8GA FH.Ed

 

[icebones]

i'll take two

do they come in stainless

 

[icebones]

by the way, what caliber would a 4 gauge be?

a 12 gauge is .729"
so a 4 bore would be like 1.00"?

 

[hubel458]

I just build for myself.
And nothing I have is staainless.
Our 4bore/ga made from 20mm cases and the turned cases of Ken
Owen's 4 ga/bore are .998-1000".
Both cases fire in same chamber.Ed

 

[Auburn1992]

And exaclty how much does that cost per shell?

 

[hubel458]

They sell the loaded 4bore cases for 50 bucks on up I've seen.
Once you have cases if you reload, you can do for about 8-10 bucks
if you buy slugs, little cheaper if you cast them.

Here is picture of the 4 slugs I've used in
the 28GA FH load developement in the
3.25" long brass case and they
also work in the plastic cases. Ed

 

[BigGunsMoreFun]

Looks pretty sweet to me

I'd love a chance to shoot one of these. Nothing excites me more than a big gun with a lot of boom and a good wallop to boot. If you start giving them away, let me know.

Molon Labe,
Joe

 

[Auburn1992]

What is the recoil comparable to?... if anything

 

[hubel458]

The 28ga is real easy recoil.The
12GA FH 600gr at 3000 in my heavy
gun about like magnum 10ga in a
8 lb gun.Same way with my
700s in my heavy guns. Ed

 

[hubel458]

8THE 8GA FH BELLERED TODAY. It is in Enfield I rigged with
rear locking bolt lugs. 32" barrel, tested 3.3" plastic cases.
Cases are the REM kiln gun cases. With the double cup base.
I shaved base a little so that chamber will fire these as well as
regular 8ga plastic. None of the firing today expanded base cups
at all, so they are real strong cases. Started testing to check
ignition with shotgun primers and to see if cases are any
good. Starting with a 110 gr mouse ball, wad under it, and 150 gr
of Blue Dot, about 5000 fps.. Gun didn't even recoil.Then a
410 gr one at 3000 fps, Then a 770 gr hollowbase slug in a wadcup
up to 2000 so far with 180gr of 7383. Barrel is smoothbore .832"
bore at the muzzle. Ed

 

[madmike]

Here's a question you might know the answer to, Hub.

I'm looking to buy a Shaw barrel in rifle caliber, chop the lug of a damaged Stevens 94 single shot shotgun barrel, weld it to the rifle barrel.

How hot is acceptable to avoid damage to the barrel? I'm assuming as long as I don't break tempering temp of 900ish it should suffer no effects at all.

 

[hubel458]

Make sure it is high alloy barrel and
a good wire welder and a super good
operator will be able to do it without
crystalizing metal. Ed.

 

[hubel458]

Some 8GA FH testing- using IMR 4759, 770 gr slug,
top load of 140 gr, got 2500 fps......
Over 10,000 ft lbs..Cases extract easy.
The plastic in 8ga case is twice as thick as
in 12ga cases. Tried 4227 and case is too large
diameter for dependable ignition.So it's
old dependable 4759..Ed

 

[hubel458]

Here is picture of Enfield 8GA FH. You can see plastic case
in the port. Box of cases behind, 770 gr and 1050 gr
slugs in front with the 8ga wadcups I use.
Left two slugs are 1050 gr made from 3 oz kiln slugs.
I rounded nose and put in hollow base. Also the
cards and fiber wads used. Slugs are hollowbase, as
it is smooth bore barrel. Ed

 

[hubel458]

In picture of the 8ga bolt action you can see the
ring I put on front of bolt to support large diameter
8ga casehead. It is suported against thrust by the
front lugs, and total bolt thrust is supported by rear
lugs and have taken the heavy loads ok.. Ed

 

[Master of Arms]

WOW!!! Great rabbit gun!!!

 

[hubel458]

2.5 oz of shot should do bunnies ok.
And it would be going about 2000
fps so penetration be ok.And if they
were prehistoric ones big as elephants
use the the slugs.Ed

 

[madmike]

What about the sabertooth squirrel we saw in Ice Age?

 

[hubel458]

Maybe this will do the squirrel------
Here is picture on left of the 12ga hollowpoint slug
with plastic tip. Makes it streamlined, good for 300yds.
And still will expand good thin skinned game-deer, oops squirrel.
I put tip in with glue gun in few seconds, and
shaped a point on it with trim knife. Ed

 

[equitytrader]

How much pressure is it running?

 

[lvcat2004]

I want to see something like the "BOX OF TRUTH" with lots of pics using this thing, but instead of dry wall, I want you to line up a bunch of cars instead....