madmike
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Third_Rail said:
I concur.
12GA Rifle From HELL--
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hubel458
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I found some long shotcups that holds 2 oz buckshot
or 2.5 oz birdshot.try it out in a couple weeks.
Just fill case 60% powder, put in cup, add shot,put
a wad on,as they fit tightn , and go boom. won't
even have to resize. just reprime and do it again.
Using shot cup to keep shot from leading rifling...Ed.
or 2.5 oz birdshot.try it out in a couple weeks.
Just fill case 60% powder, put in cup, add shot,put
a wad on,as they fit tightn , and go boom. won't
even have to resize. just reprime and do it again.
Using shot cup to keep shot from leading rifling...Ed.
hubel458
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Trying to keep name simple and redneck hence
12GA From Hell.You know your a bigbore redneck,
when all your guns are singleshot and your safari
car is doublebarrel..Ed
12GA From Hell.You know your a bigbore redneck,
when all your guns are singleshot and your safari
car is doublebarrel..Ed
hubel458
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Shot a load of 18 buckshot, about 700gr in a shotcup.
Had case 60% full of powder, and a 16ga wad on top of shot
in shotcup..all tight fit..Pattern due to wad and rifling
was 3 ft at 25 ft and shot went most of the way through
3/4 in tempered hardboard desktop.Must have been going about
2000 fps.Ed.
Had case 60% full of powder, and a 16ga wad on top of shot
in shotcup..all tight fit..Pattern due to wad and rifling
was 3 ft at 25 ft and shot went most of the way through
3/4 in tempered hardboard desktop.Must have been going about
2000 fps.Ed.
hubel458
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Here is picture of case sectioned that was fired 36 times,
No thinning seen or and none that can be measured.
Good tough brass with big primers, so no ignition
problems, should last for couple hundred firings..Ed
No thinning seen or and none that can be measured.
Good tough brass with big primers, so no ignition
problems, should last for couple hundred firings..Ed
hubel458
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here is picture showing what us crazies will do
to work over brass for our creations.In pic the long die
laying down is used to size top half of 12GA Fh case,
and other die does bottom..Bottom die is a cut off
hollywood 12ga die..Top die is reworked 700NE mouth
belling die with top removed.We rework inside dimensions
and taper with small cylinder hones as shown in pic.
The rest of the 700NE die set was cut up and reworked for
my 700HE cases and other stuff.Ed.
to work over brass for our creations.In pic the long die
laying down is used to size top half of 12GA Fh case,
and other die does bottom..Bottom die is a cut off
hollywood 12ga die..Top die is reworked 700NE mouth
belling die with top removed.We rework inside dimensions
and taper with small cylinder hones as shown in pic.
The rest of the 700NE die set was cut up and reworked for
my 700HE cases and other stuff.Ed.
hubel458
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Here is pic of Savage with 700NE in the port.Got
a guy going to build one.Ed
a guy going to build one.Ed
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hubel458
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Comparison of cartridges--Here is pic of 700NE,
2nd 12GA FH, 3rd 700HE..Ed
2nd 12GA FH, 3rd 700HE..Ed
MSGT9410
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Now THAT is an anti-refrigerator rifle 
hubel458
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MSGT9410--Yep and I don't have a fortune in it.
About 600 bucks as I did my own work.Ed.
About 600 bucks as I did my own work.Ed.
hubel458
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Fellow in Australia suggested we check out this heavy
Spanish double.He and others are checking on specs
for me to see if it will do a 12GA FH setup. The site
says they have alloy barrels, which is great.Ed
Spanish double.He and others are checking on specs
for me to see if it will do a 12GA FH setup. The site
says they have alloy barrels, which is great.Ed
hubel458
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I collected a bunch of the 730gr hard Dixie lead slugs
from the bundle of slabs, and nearly all had more
than 3/4 of their weight left.This is great considering
22-2400 fps speed for all but 3, which were 2700.Ed.
from the bundle of slabs, and nearly all had more
than 3/4 of their weight left.This is great considering
22-2400 fps speed for all but 3, which were 2700.Ed.
retnav05
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Geez, which planet do you intend on going hunting?
hubel458
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Retnav-Oh this one has big enough game,
grizzlys, buffalo, other african types.
And can be loaded down for deer and hogs.Ed.
grizzlys, buffalo, other african types.
And can be loaded down for deer and hogs.Ed.
hubel458
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travis- one party who got some of the cases is going
to make one on an AR50 upper he has, a bolt action.
I wouldn't be supprised if an autoloader popped up
somewhere for the case.Ed.
to make one on an AR50 upper he has, a bolt action.
I wouldn't be supprised if an autoloader popped up
somewhere for the case.Ed.
hubel458
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That Zabala double I posted picture of is smooth bore
but would work with our case and the new hard slugs Dixie
is trying out.Hollowbase and set up to shoot accurate
in smooth bores.And gun I've heard is little
over grand..If this would work, be
nice to have double rifle power for a fraction
of regular NE doubles.Ed
but would work with our case and the new hard slugs Dixie
is trying out.Hollowbase and set up to shoot accurate
in smooth bores.And gun I've heard is little
over grand..If this would work, be
nice to have double rifle power for a fraction
of regular NE doubles.Ed
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hubel458
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Found a regular 12ga brass case and it's pictured here,
sectioned with ours to show how much stronger ours is.
And ours in pic is the one we fired 36 times.Also
the regular 12ga brass case was expanded so much from
firing it wouldn't go into bottom of resize die..Ed
sectioned with ours to show how much stronger ours is.
And ours in pic is the one we fired 36 times.Also
the regular 12ga brass case was expanded so much from
firing it wouldn't go into bottom of resize die..Ed
hubel458
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Here is comparison of different lead slugs.
One on far right is 875 grain hardened slug Greg
Sappington makes.Got to test it yet. Third is
Dixie Terminator 730 gr hardened slug, that I
got to 2700 without leading. Ed.
One on far right is 875 grain hardened slug Greg
Sappington makes.Got to test it yet. Third is
Dixie Terminator 730 gr hardened slug, that I
got to 2700 without leading. Ed.
hubel458
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Shot another buckshot load, little more velocity than
first loads...... pattern big due to
rifling but not as big as first as I put piece of
playdough over shot in shotcup instead of a wad.
They went through 3/4 inch desktop made of tough
tempered hardboard, and couple went through 1/8 inch
steel shelf end the board was on.Ed.
first loads...... pattern big due to
rifling but not as big as first as I put piece of
playdough over shot in shotcup instead of a wad.
They went through 3/4 inch desktop made of tough
tempered hardboard, and couple went through 1/8 inch
steel shelf end the board was on.Ed.
hubel458
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Did more checking on Encore.Did some measuring at
gunstore They will work with longer and
a real heavy barrel and a weighted thumbhole
buttstock.And long barrel to get weight and get the blast away from shooter. If I did one I'd make it 20
pounds at least. They will handle moderate pressure
with heavy barrel, muzzle same size as breech, so
that it will hold rifle type loadings.Would have to be alloy
barrel like I have on Savage for strength.Ed.
gunstore They will work with longer and
a real heavy barrel and a weighted thumbhole
buttstock.And long barrel to get weight and get the blast away from shooter. If I did one I'd make it 20
pounds at least. They will handle moderate pressure
with heavy barrel, muzzle same size as breech, so
that it will hold rifle type loadings.Would have to be alloy
barrel like I have on Savage for strength.Ed.
I just had a really dumb idea. It'd be possible to make a kind of bottlenecked case which narrows to .729" outside diameter, 2 3/4" or 3" up from the case rim, and uses heeled bullets. That way, you wouldn't even need to use different chamber dimensions from a regular 12 gauge.
It'd be "interesting" to work up some 11,500 PSI loads for a standard shotgun. You'd probably have to load the cases with black powder, and use grains the size of driveway gravel...
What I want, eventually, is a 16 gauge rifle. Call it something like the .666 Beelzebubba.
It'd be "interesting" to work up some 11,500 PSI loads for a standard shotgun. You'd probably have to load the cases with black powder, and use grains the size of driveway gravel...
What I want, eventually, is a 16 gauge rifle. Call it something like the .666 Beelzebubba.
hubel458
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Ryan--That is a different idea for sure.Cost of making dies
to form case like that and heeled bullets would add up.
Our case now just has rim put on and only
needs fireforming and no resizing on bottom half at all,
when firing and reloading.
And dies are easy to make straightwall, or find.
And simple heat treated slugs are only 65 cents each if we
don't want to make our own.That compared to swaged jacketed
bullets in those sizes costing 3-5 times as much
makes it a bargain.Ed.
to form case like that and heeled bullets would add up.
Our case now just has rim put on and only
needs fireforming and no resizing on bottom half at all,
when firing and reloading.
And dies are easy to make straightwall, or find.
And simple heat treated slugs are only 65 cents each if we
don't want to make our own.That compared to swaged jacketed
bullets in those sizes costing 3-5 times as much
makes it a bargain.Ed.
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