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158 gr 357 jsp in 35 whelen ?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by AK_Maine_iac, Oct 27, 2011.

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  1. AK_Maine_iac

    AK_Maine_iac Member

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    I have read that you can use 38/357 bullets in the 35Whelen for fun shooting. Not to sure how accurate they will be. I have a 100 or so under my bench so i thought i would try.
    Will be using RE15 with 158gr JSP. What load should i start out with. I am thinking 48.0grs of RE15 Any help please.
    OH yeah, it will be used in a T/C single shot Encore rifle.
     
  2. Walkalong

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    I would not begin to guess on the RL-15 load. I would wonder how much velocity the hand gun bullet would take as well.

    One thing you can do is fill the case to the base with Trail Boss for a light fun load. Do not compress TB. I have done it with a .30-30 and .30 carbine bullets, and plan to do it with .357 bullets in my .35 Remington one of these days.

    http://www.reloadammo.com/trail-boss-notes.htm
     
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    Jacketed shot better than leaded in my rifle. Leaded was in fact awful. No idea as I have not shot that rifle in a while.

    I used AA5744 an excellent cast bullet powder.

    35 Whelen 1:10" Douglas barrel

    125 W/W JHP 30.0 grs AA5744 CCI #34 OAL to cannulure
    necked up R-P 30-06

    16 Oct 2009 T = 65 °F

    Ave Vel = 1916
    Std Dev = 40
    ES = 86
    High = 1949
    Low = 1863
    N = 5

    6" Group 4" to the right


    158 LRN 16.0 grs AA5744 CCI 200
    necked up R-P 30-06

    16 Oct 2009 T = 65 °F

    Ave Vel = 1174
    Std Dev = 29
    ES = 101
    High = 1206
    Low = 1105
    N = 10

    At least 11 X 18 group at 100 yards. No leading.
     
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    If those are handgun bullets I would be concerned they won't hold together when shot at rifle velocities. If they are rated for the .357 Magnum you will have a better chance at success.
     
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    The two 35 Whelen rifles I have shot with 158 gr XTP and 10 gr of pistol powder both shot remarkably well.
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    range report 5-14-05

    4) 35 Whelen 1909 Mauser
    a) 15 gr. Herter's 164 powder, 158 gr. XTP, 2.84", belled, chamfered, CCI200,
    three holes touching every time with 4X Weaver at 40 yards
    1425 fps

    b) 55.8 gr. IMR4895, Sierra 2850 225 gr., 3.25" CCI200
    2772 fps
    Heavy gun with recoil pad made for the big push recoil

    c) 10 gr. Herters 164 158 gr. LSWC
    not so accurate as XTPs

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    range report 2009-01-30 35Whelen

    158 gr XTP HP 15 gr Herters 164 [like Unique] 2.990" WW 30-06 brass
    opened to 35 Whelen
    I have shot this before [1425 fps 24" barrel]


    35 Whelen, VZ24, Leupold VariX iii 13x40x40 target knobs
    > 35 Whelen, 24" barrel, [rebarrelled in 5/99 with a 1 in 12"
    > twist according to the marks on the bottom of the barrel]Parker
    > Hale commercial Mauser, Bell and Carlson fiber glass stock with
    > soft recoil pad and camo paint, Parker Hale trigger with side
    > safety and Gold plated trigger, 7.5 pounds without scope,
    > The Parker Hale bottom metal weighs 3.5 ounces and is Aluminum,
    > The PH has the 1909 Orberndorf type release

    1.27" 5 shot group 50 yards
    0.97" 5 shot group 50 yards.
    Feeds from the mag, all 5 shots.
     

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    Here is a scan of the target with the last group I shot with a 35 Whelen rifle, 158 gr XTP, and 15 gr of pistol powder.
    0.97" 5 shot group at 50 yards.
     

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