You guys hear about this? 4,000 fps. is this its own cartridge or would this fire out of the same gun that shoots .17hmr? some magazine i got said its based on the .221 case, and is as flat shooting as a 22-250 while burning 45 percent less powder. it doesnt say much else though. what do you guys know about it?
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17 Remington Fireball
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Jim Watson
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It is a centerfire and not remotely interchangeable with the rimfire 17 HMR... or anything else, including the older and bigger .17 Remington.
tuck2
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The Rem. 17 Fireball must be close to the wild cat 17 MACH IV (17-221 Fireball) Reloading data for the 17 MACH IV is in the 6th Ed Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading. The 17 MACH 4 is not as over bore capacity like the 17 Rem. The MACH 4 uses 15.7 Gr of powder to get a muzzle velocity of 3,700 ft/sec while the 17 Rem uses 28.1 Gr of powder to get 4,100 ft/sec at the muzzle with the Hornady 25 Gr HP bullet. Thats 12.4 Gr more powder to get 400 ft/sec increase in muzzle velocity. The new Rem 17 Fireball looks good to me.
rangerruck
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it is a centerfire, and yes, it is quite efficient at not being overbore. Mr. H. , here in Houston, says this is the perfect cartridge for the 17, tailormade for varminting, without burning up bbls.
No, you cannot shoot it in a hmr. problem is, no mfgr is going to make rifles, or factory cartridges for this, you would have to get the rifle custom made, then make the rounds yourself. but look at it this way, with one good supply or brass and powder, you could proly make these rounds forever, on one batch, and not spend hardly any money. would proly be as cheap as reloading the 22 hornet.
No, you cannot shoot it in a hmr. problem is, no mfgr is going to make rifles, or factory cartridges for this, you would have to get the rifle custom made, then make the rounds yourself. but look at it this way, with one good supply or brass and powder, you could proly make these rounds forever, on one batch, and not spend hardly any money. would proly be as cheap as reloading the 22 hornet.
that's always the way with wildcats, Model.
what it is, is one person creating a new round from existing materials (in this case, 221 rem fireball necked down) with a specific shoulder angle, headspacing, yadda yadda yadda.
Then you can go to a custom gunmaker and say 'I want a 17 rem fireball' and he knows exactly what you want, and then you can go to someplace like Barnes and buy reamers and dies for reloading your own 17 rem fireball, and you can be sure that they will match.
If you just went to a gunmaker and said 'i want a 221 rem fireball case necked down to take 17 cal bullet' there is no telling exactly what you would get. Well really, the gunmaker wouldn't build it off such limited info, but you get my point
then, as in this case, some company (remington) starts making batches of the ammo at their factory. That's how a ton of our current chambering options started, pretty much anything that isn't straight military.
Often this is also paired with that same company starting to produce guns in that chambering as well, which I am pretty sure remington will do
what it is, is one person creating a new round from existing materials (in this case, 221 rem fireball necked down) with a specific shoulder angle, headspacing, yadda yadda yadda.
Then you can go to a custom gunmaker and say 'I want a 17 rem fireball' and he knows exactly what you want, and then you can go to someplace like Barnes and buy reamers and dies for reloading your own 17 rem fireball, and you can be sure that they will match.
If you just went to a gunmaker and said 'i want a 221 rem fireball case necked down to take 17 cal bullet' there is no telling exactly what you would get. Well really, the gunmaker wouldn't build it off such limited info, but you get my point
then, as in this case, some company (remington) starts making batches of the ammo at their factory. That's how a ton of our current chambering options started, pretty much anything that isn't straight military.
Often this is also paired with that same company starting to produce guns in that chambering as well, which I am pretty sure remington will do
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Hello,
I just read a really nice artical from RifleShooter that was written by Layne Simpson. It is extremely infromational. He writes that the .17 rem fireball is the EXACT same at the .17 mach IV. Just has a new friendly name. He Also says that remington is planing on offering a 20grain round, also that remington will be producing several rifles in the .17 fireball. I don't want to step on any plaugerism(sorry if i spelled that wrong) toes. SO to learn a lot about the round please just pick up there jan/fem 07 mag.
I just read a really nice artical from RifleShooter that was written by Layne Simpson. It is extremely infromational. He writes that the .17 rem fireball is the EXACT same at the .17 mach IV. Just has a new friendly name. He Also says that remington is planing on offering a 20grain round, also that remington will be producing several rifles in the .17 fireball. I don't want to step on any plaugerism(sorry if i spelled that wrong) toes. SO to learn a lot about the round please just pick up there jan/fem 07 mag.
CoyoteTexas17
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Purchased six box's of Remington 17 Fire Ball Factory Loads.
This is no longer a Wildcat thanks to Remington.
At the present time they are producing three or four different rifles for the 17X221 Fireball.
This is a good un.
This is no longer a Wildcat thanks to Remington.
At the present time they are producing three or four different rifles for the 17X221 Fireball.
This is a good un.
CoyoteTexas17
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17 Fire Ball Information
.17 Remington Fireball
The 1950s brought wildcatting to a fever pitch. Varmint shooters fashioning .17s brought laughs at first. But tiny 25-grain bullets clocking faster than 3,300 fps flew flat and hit surprisingly hard, with little noise and almost no muzzle jump, from cases as small as the .22 Hornet Improved. P.O. Ackley had found the .218 Bee and .222 Remington hulls as big as any .17 bullet could use. Clocking 3,800 fps, the hot .17 Mach IV was essentially a necked-down .223 chopped from 1.75 to 1.40 inches. It was offered by the O'Brian Rifle Company of Las Vegas.
Interest in the tiny bore subsided as riflemen flocked to short belted magnums during the late '50s and early '60s, and hailed Remington's adoption of the .22-250 in 1965.
Then, in 1970, the .17 Remington appeared. With a 25-grain bullet exceeding 4,000 fps, it promised to inflict the bore-fouling headache that had plagued .17 wildcatters decades earlier. But cleaner propellants and moly-coated bullets have mitigated this problem. In its current 20-grain loading, the .17 Remington is the fastest sporting round commercially available.
The .17 Remington Fireball introduced this year derives from the .221 Fireball, developed for Remington's bolt-action XP-100 handgun in 1963. A shortened .222 Remington, the .221 Fireball earned a small but faithful following. The .17 Fireball mimics the .17 Mach IV, with a 1.41-inch case and 30-degree shoulder. It launches a 20-grain AccuTip-V bullet at 4,000 fps with great accuracy.
Suitable Use
A .17 can do almost anything a .22 can do--just as a .22 can almost match a 6mm. The smaller the bore, the lighter and more wind-sensitive the bullet. Halving bullet weight significantly reduces energy at the target. Lightweight bullets don't penetrate or break bones as well as heavy bullets--which matters not at all if you're shooting prairie dogs. The .17 Fireball should also ice rockchucks and coyotes. No doubt an enthusiast will try it on deer. Like the fellow I knew who shot moose with his .221 Fireball, he'll find it as lethal as he claims--and less forgiving than accurate.
PERFORMANCE GUIDE
.17 Rem. Fireball 20-gr. Muzzle 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds.
Velcocity (fps) 4,000 3,380 2,840 2,360 1,930
Energy (ft-lbs) 710 507 358 247 165
Arc (inches) -1.5 +0.8 0 -5.1 -16.6
.17 Rem. 20-gr. Muzzle 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds.
Velocity (fps) 4,250 3,594 3,028 2,529 2,081
Energy (ft-lbs) 802 574 407 284 192
Arc (inches) -1.5 +0.6 0 -4.4 -14.4
.204 Ruger 40-gr. Muzzle 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds.
Velocity (fps) 3,900 3,451 3,046 2,677 2,236
Energy (ft-lbs) 1,351 1,077 855 675 526
Arc (inches) -1.5 +0.7 0 -4.3 -13.2
The great boast of all .17s is their almost nonexistent recoil, so with a rifle of ordinary weight you stay on target to see the effects of your shot.
Ballistics
As of now there's only one factory load for Remington's .17 Fireball. But I suspect other options will follow. Already the company is chambering four rifles for this cartridge: the Model 7 CDL, 700 CDL LTD, 700 VSF and 700 SPS. And the selection of .17-caliber bullets is much greater today than it was when O'Brian came out with his smallbore rocket.
.17 Remington Fireball
The 1950s brought wildcatting to a fever pitch. Varmint shooters fashioning .17s brought laughs at first. But tiny 25-grain bullets clocking faster than 3,300 fps flew flat and hit surprisingly hard, with little noise and almost no muzzle jump, from cases as small as the .22 Hornet Improved. P.O. Ackley had found the .218 Bee and .222 Remington hulls as big as any .17 bullet could use. Clocking 3,800 fps, the hot .17 Mach IV was essentially a necked-down .223 chopped from 1.75 to 1.40 inches. It was offered by the O'Brian Rifle Company of Las Vegas.
Interest in the tiny bore subsided as riflemen flocked to short belted magnums during the late '50s and early '60s, and hailed Remington's adoption of the .22-250 in 1965.
Then, in 1970, the .17 Remington appeared. With a 25-grain bullet exceeding 4,000 fps, it promised to inflict the bore-fouling headache that had plagued .17 wildcatters decades earlier. But cleaner propellants and moly-coated bullets have mitigated this problem. In its current 20-grain loading, the .17 Remington is the fastest sporting round commercially available.
The .17 Remington Fireball introduced this year derives from the .221 Fireball, developed for Remington's bolt-action XP-100 handgun in 1963. A shortened .222 Remington, the .221 Fireball earned a small but faithful following. The .17 Fireball mimics the .17 Mach IV, with a 1.41-inch case and 30-degree shoulder. It launches a 20-grain AccuTip-V bullet at 4,000 fps with great accuracy.
Suitable Use
A .17 can do almost anything a .22 can do--just as a .22 can almost match a 6mm. The smaller the bore, the lighter and more wind-sensitive the bullet. Halving bullet weight significantly reduces energy at the target. Lightweight bullets don't penetrate or break bones as well as heavy bullets--which matters not at all if you're shooting prairie dogs. The .17 Fireball should also ice rockchucks and coyotes. No doubt an enthusiast will try it on deer. Like the fellow I knew who shot moose with his .221 Fireball, he'll find it as lethal as he claims--and less forgiving than accurate.
PERFORMANCE GUIDE
.17 Rem. Fireball 20-gr. Muzzle 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds.
Velcocity (fps) 4,000 3,380 2,840 2,360 1,930
Energy (ft-lbs) 710 507 358 247 165
Arc (inches) -1.5 +0.8 0 -5.1 -16.6
.17 Rem. 20-gr. Muzzle 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds.
Velocity (fps) 4,250 3,594 3,028 2,529 2,081
Energy (ft-lbs) 802 574 407 284 192
Arc (inches) -1.5 +0.6 0 -4.4 -14.4
.204 Ruger 40-gr. Muzzle 100 yds. 200 yds. 300 yds. 400 yds.
Velocity (fps) 3,900 3,451 3,046 2,677 2,236
Energy (ft-lbs) 1,351 1,077 855 675 526
Arc (inches) -1.5 +0.7 0 -4.3 -13.2
The great boast of all .17s is their almost nonexistent recoil, so with a rifle of ordinary weight you stay on target to see the effects of your shot.
Ballistics
As of now there's only one factory load for Remington's .17 Fireball. But I suspect other options will follow. Already the company is chambering four rifles for this cartridge: the Model 7 CDL, 700 CDL LTD, 700 VSF and 700 SPS. And the selection of .17-caliber bullets is much greater today than it was when O'Brian came out with his smallbore rocket.
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