1851 Navy & beginner

[Crawdad1]

Hopefully one day you'll come over here and visit some Civil War Battlefields. Possibly Gettysburg.

One thing to remember about the statues of our mounted Generals at our battlefields, If the horse has all four hooves on the ground the General riding that horse survived the war, if one hoof is raised off the ground then the General was wounded but survived, if two hooves are raised the General was killed during the war but if all four hooves of the horse are off the ground, then the rider is General Robert E Lee.

 

[1861]

if all four hooves of the horse are off the ground, then the rider is General Robert E Lee

 

[expat_alaska]

Not really sure why they list less than max charges as the max one should use.

Pietta lists their maximum charges that low because they want no litigation against them should someone do something stupid, against their recommendations.

It is a litigation society these days. Learn to live with it. Lawyers seem to rule the world if anyone seems to be maligned in any way.

Follow the money, folks.

Jim

 

[expat_alaska]

Thank you for your kind words gentlemen



But what I really wanted to buy in a first place is 1851 Navy Yank Old Silver .36 by Pietta (YANOS36):
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The most beautiful weapon I ever saw. Unfortunatelly, it's sold out everywhere in Europe. I contacted dozens of dealers and even Pietta factory. Not a single piece anywhere. I won't lose hope, I will have it one day. I bought black & chrome version when I realised that it could be a long wait for the silver one.

There is one alternative, however - a limited edition 1851 Navy Yank Old Silver .44 "General Robert E. Lee" by Pietta (YANBIG44GR):
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Only 30 pieces produced. It can be ordered right away from France, two shops sell it. But it's much more expensive, and I would have additional cost of changing the plastic grips for a real (reddish) wood grips. One other downside is that it's only in .44 and I would rather have .36. But on the other hand, with this one I would get "General Robert E. Lee" engraved on the barrel and the Confederate flags engraved on the cylinder. I don't think I would ever fire it. This is just to look and admire.

My next revolver will be 1862 Dance Old Silver .44 by Pietta:
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I plan to order it soon, this month or the next month

Just my opinion, but I have no idea why you EU folks like the shiny silver versions versus the original blued and brass original Colts produced in the US nor their Italian replicas. Samuel Colt produced his 1851 Navy revolvers in his London factory with silver plated brass backstraps and trigger guards for that reason: because they would sell.

By your terminology "the black and chrome" version is actually a blued barrel, blued engraved cylinder, color-cased steel frame with the trigger guard and backstrap silver plated. Please do not confuse "chrome" with the silver plating.It is not the same.

Original Dance revolvers were primarily .44 caliber, but some were historically produced in .36 caliber. I wish that Pietta would produce a Dance .36 as it would be an easy fit to interchange other Pietta parts. As I have stated before, the Pietta Dance .44 is based on a slightly modified 1851 Navy frame and has a larger diameter cylinder than the 1851 Navy .36 cylinder. If Pietta would produce a Dance .36 on the 1851 frame, all they would have to do is mill off the recoil shields, and either case color or blue the frame. Either option would be acceptable to me.

Your alternative Robert E. Lee .44 is not acceptable to me as no original 1851 Navies were produced in .44 caliber, especially with the rebated cylinder and the cut water table to fit. Your call, sir.

 

[1861]

I have no idea why you EU folks like the shiny silver versions

Your alternative Robert E. Lee .44 is not acceptable to me as no original 1851 Navies were produced in .44 caliber

That's why I wrote "downside is that it's only in .44 and I would rather have .36" - because I KNOW that the original 1851s were .36 - so we feel the same there.

I can't speak for the rest of 743 millions of Europeans, but me, myself & I like silver. Matter of personal tastes. All my vintage audio gear is silver too, not black

 

[drobs]

Is this where you bought your gun? They have a neat selection - more options than we see in the US.
http://www.arprotech.com/shop/pietta/limite-60.html

Prices aren't horrible either.

 

[1861]

Is this where you bought your gun? They have a neat selection - more options than we see in the US.
http://www.arprotech.com/shop/pietta/limite-60.html

Prices aren't horrible either.

EXACTLY!

 

[1861]

Hopefully one day you'll come over here and visit some Civil War Battlefields. Possibly Gettysburg

I plan that... unfortunatelly, there is never enough money and time in a man's life to realise all the plans.

 

[Crawdad1]

I was in Europe during the seventies while in the Navy visiting several countries. Beautiful countries, Italy, France, Spain, Greece, plus some others. If you visit and want a good experience then come over the first couple of days in July while they, Federal Park Rangers, have the Battlefield Walks at Gettysburg. They'll explain the entire battlefield and battle. Plus the re-enactors are always there and they are very helpful.

Hope you make it.

 

[1861]

I just hope that they won't try to explain me how that body at the Devil's Den wasn't actualy a Confederate sharpshooter

 

[Crawdad1]

I think you've possibly seen those battlefield walks already. Still a lot to be learned about that battle. We're still finding written material in the archives that pertain to that battle. Almost every day we are getting a clearer image of what happened.

 

[1861]

I've seen films, documentaries, photos and articles. I don't think anyone from Europe knows more about it than me

 

[BCRider]

We can trip over little notes from the ACW in the oddest of places. I was wandering through a graveyard in Edinburgh Scotland that was up near the top of Holy Rood park and came upon a memorial to some Scots that packed up and went over to join up. I can only surmise that some of them had altruistic thoughts about fighting to abolish slavery while others may have had some family ties to boys already joined up. But the inscription implied that it was a goodly number that made this trip. And it would seem that at least a few of them returned and paid for the monument to be carved and placed.

 

[1861]

I'll need a mallet to take out the wedge.
Do you use / recommend a WOODEN one like this Pedersoli: http://www.westernguns.fr/chargement-par-la-bouche/accessoires-chargement/920-maillet-en-bois.html
...or a PLASTIC one: https://www.thorhammer.com/mallets/super-plastic.html


And what is this? http://www.shop57.org/accessoires/846-achemineur-de-balles.html

Thanks

 

[drobs]

I'll need a mallet to take out the wedge.
Do you use / recommend a WOODEN one like this Pedersoli: http://www.westernguns.fr/chargement-par-la-bouche/accessoires-chargement/920-maillet-en-bois.html
...or a PLASTIC one: https://www.thorhammer.com/mallets/super-plastic.html


And what is this? http://www.shop57.org/accessoires/846-achemineur-de-balles.html

Thanks

I use a plastic mallet but that wood one is nifty.

One of my 2 Pietta 1860 Army's has a real stiff barrel wedge. I made tool for it out of a piece of 5.56x45 (.223) brass crushed in a vice. Works real good for the purpose.




Tool in your last link is a ball starter for a muzzle loading rifle. You don't need that for a revolver.

Strangely enough I just bought one of those to go with a Lyman Great Plains rifle that I ordered today.
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifl...s/lymantm-great-plains-rifle-left-handed.html

 

[expat_alaska]

I'll need a mallet to take out the wedge.
Do you use / recommend a WOODEN one like this Pedersoli: http://www.westernguns.fr/chargement-par-la-bouche/accessoires-chargement/920-maillet-en-bois.html
...or a PLASTIC one: https://www.thorhammer.com/mallets/super-plastic.html
?

I am cheap. I use a scrap piece of 1" x 2" x 6" wood lengthwise against the wedge and use a steel ball-peen hammer on the end of the wood. A quick sharp rap with the hammer loosens/tightens the wedge, unless Guido the Pietta Gorilla installed it new and this the first time you tried to move the wedge. Oil is your friend.

If the tip of the wedge spring does not protrude fully on the right side of the frame when new, I lightly sand (fine grit paper) the front and back sides of the wedge until I get a good fit. Piettas are good insofar as arbor length fit into the barrel lug arbor recess is concerned, so one need not be concerned about the depth of the wedge to adjust the cylinder-to-barrel forcing cone gap. Uberti owners sometimes suggest this, but it is nonsense and is poor gunsmithing practice.

Don't take my word for it. Ask Mike the professional:

http://www.goonsgunworks.com/

Jim

 

[rodwha]

I'd not buy a wooden mallet as it will slowly get chewed by the wedge.

 

[Crawdad1]

That's what I do also use a sliver of wood and any hammer that is available. If I have to use the loading lever to ease the barrel off the arbor I place that sliver of wood in front of the cylinder in between the rammer and the cylinder face so the rammer doesn't scar it.

I only had to do that on Second and Third generation Colts because they are so tight on that arbor.

 

[rodwha]

...so the rammer doesn't scare it.

Certainly don't want to scare our revolvers! We need them to be bold and not flinch!

 

[Crawdad1]

Oh crap, I'll fix it.

Thanks!!

 

[1861]

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

I added one of these drift punches to a parts order long ago and have not regretted it yet...
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1041/1/TOOL-KEY-B

 

[1861]

Good folks of The High Road, here's what's available to me for cleaning - what would you recommend? Thank you.

http://www.arprotech.com/shop/boite-de-nettoyage-revolvers-et-pistolets.html
http://www.arprotech.com/shop/set-de-chargement-et-nettoyage-du-cal-36-au-45.html
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoir...42-mini-kit-nettoyage-armes-de-poings-36.html
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoires/nettoyage-et-entretien/9893-kit-de-nettoyage-cal36.html
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoires/nettoyage-et-entretien/1405-brosse-de-nettoyage-laiton.html
http://www.toro-distribution.com/boite-de-nettoyage-repliques-poudre-noire-calibre-36-a8405.html
http://www.toro-distribution.com/coffret-accessoires-nettoyage-repliques-calibre-36-et-44-a8404.html
https://www.armurerie-lavaux.com/article/Necessaire-de-nettoyage-cal.36.html
https://www.armurerie-lavaux.com/article/Necessaire-de-nettoyage-Luxe-cal.36.html
https://www.beckchasse.com/armes-de...it-necessaire-de-nettoyage-cal36-45-1669.html

 

[Tommygunn]

I'd not buy a wooden mallet as it will slowly get chewed by the wedge.

I use a plastic tipped hammer I bought in a hardware store 25+ years ago, and it's still good.

 

[rodwha]

Good folks of The High Road, here's what's available to me for cleaning - what would you recommend? Thank you.

http://www.arprotech.com/shop/boite-de-nettoyage-revolvers-et-pistolets.html
http://www.arprotech.com/shop/set-de-chargement-et-nettoyage-du-cal-36-au-45.html
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoir...42-mini-kit-nettoyage-armes-de-poings-36.html
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoires/nettoyage-et-entretien/9893-kit-de-nettoyage-cal36.html
http://www.westernguns.fr/accessoires/nettoyage-et-entretien/1405-brosse-de-nettoyage-laiton.html
http://www.toro-distribution.com/boite-de-nettoyage-repliques-poudre-noire-calibre-36-a8405.html
http://www.toro-distribution.com/coffret-accessoires-nettoyage-repliques-calibre-36-et-44-a8404.html
https://www.armurerie-lavaux.com/article/Necessaire-de-nettoyage-cal.36.html
https://www.armurerie-lavaux.com/article/Necessaire-de-nettoyage-Luxe-cal.36.html
https://www.beckchasse.com/armes-de...it-necessaire-de-nettoyage-cal36-45-1669.html

So I looked through most of them but not all.

I can't express how great a bore mop is. These things are great so I'd suggest a kit that has one or order one along with a kit. Also a bronze bristle brush is exceptional.

Something not listed but most excellent is pipe cleaners embedded with little scratchy things. Let me see if I can find a link to what I'm talking about.