1860 Needs Some Work Done

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Thanks to all who mentioned me! My experiences with CVA stuff has been mostly ASM. Quality has been mostly pretty good but I personally own one that's not so good. Those mountain rifles mentioned above I believe came from Eibar or something like that in Spain. They were middle of the road quaility but shoot accurately. The cap guns have this really long bolster that the nipple mounts on that threads all the through the breechplug almost to the opposite side. It has to be removed before any attempt to remove the breechplug is tried. Not sure what the thinking was on that one.

Yeah it was a nightmare. That system interlocked with the breech plug and then they drilled the port to the barrel through the side of the bolster through the muzzle. My CVA Hawken’s was drilled incomplete/wrong and had spotty ignition at first. A gunsmith tried to fix it but then the bolster broke at the barrel flat. I extracted the remains and found a replacement bolster for these from Dixie or somewhere that gets rid of the stupid interthreaded mess. But it’s a pretty janky setup now LOL

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I think TC gets the prize for LSD inspired breech plugs. Just saying.

 

[hawg]

Those mountain rifles mentioned above I believe came from Eibar or something like that in Spain

I think the mountain rifles were made by Ardesa. Most of their rifles were made by Dikar and some of them and most of the pistols were made by Jukar. Early mountain rifles had Douglas barrels.

 

[Acorn Mush]

... The cap guns have this really long bolster that the nipple mounts on that threads all the through the breechplug almost to the opposite side. It has to be removed before any attempt to remove the breechplug is tried. Not sure what the thinking was on that one.

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The drum installed through the side of the barrel and into the breech plug was, I believe, a safety selling point for CVA. They could advertise their breech plugs as being locked in place by the drum, thereby preventing the plug from blowing out. Whether or not they did so I do not remember. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will clarify this point.

 

[StrawHat]

CVA sold Spesco? Spesco was an importer.

You are right. Not enough coffee.


Kevin

 

[hawg]

( Boldface added.)
The drum installed through the side of the barrel and into the breech plug was, I believe, a safety selling point for CVA. They could advertise their breech plugs as being locked in place by the drum, thereby preventing the plug from blowing out. Whether or not they did so I do not remember. Perhaps those more knowledgeable will clarify this point.

It's true and more than one breech plug has been ruined because of it.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Personally I've never seen or heard of a blown breechplug, I expect someone has. For the most part they are pretty heavy duty parts and not likely to blow out unless its not properly installed or defective in which case all the locking into place ain't gonna help. Even the barrel those characters on YouTube tried to blow apart damaged the barrel but not the breechplug. It did do a great job of making toothpicks outta the stock.

 

[hawg]

Personally I've never seen or heard of a blown breechplug, I expect someone has. For the most part they are pretty heavy duty parts and not likely to blow out unless its not properly installed or defective in which case all the locking into place ain't gonna help. Even the barrel those characters on YouTube tried to blow apart damaged the barrel but not the breechplug. It did do a great job of making toothpicks outta the stock.

I've never heard of one blowing out either. What I meant in my post was people trying to remove the breech plug without removing the drum first.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

My point being that the way it's assembled is either production related or plain overkill with the safety B.S.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Even the barrel those characters on YouTube tried to blow apart damaged the barrel but not the breechplug.

And they couldn't blow it up with black powder. Had to use Bullseye or something.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Indeed, I seem to remember them stuffing it nearly to the muzzle, then driving some kinda plug into it. That's when things finally came apart.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I thought it was kind of a shame to bust up the stock. Could have worked with just the barrel.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

It was a phony Hawken so no great loss.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

With a new barrel some kid could have loved it!!

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Reckon so, those fake Hawken things just rub me the wrong way. Traditions, CVA, Thompson Center all market or marketed those things trying to ride the Hollywood idea of a Hawken, you would think they would at least make an effort at a true plains rifle.

 

[hawg]

Reckon so, those fake Hawken things just rub me the wrong way. Traditions, CVA, Thompson Center all market or marketed those things trying to ride the Hollywood idea of a Hawken, you would think they would at least make an effort at a true plains rifle.

I like to think of them as Tryon trade rifles. They look more like some of them from the 1870's than they do Hawkens.

 

[whughett]

Well didn’t take long for this thread to sail off course.

OP I’ve had several revolvers set up by Goon, nice work but you pay for it, and Id get a turn around time
before committing revolver and money he’s a busy man.

No experience with Mr Jackrabbit personally but I’d consider the recommendations posted here.
Had an early Pietta Traditions 1860 that fit your description to a T. A fellow in Texas tuned it up and set it straight so as noted if it’s worth it to you it’s worth fixing.