1892 Miroku Update

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Steve S.

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I purchased a Winchester 1892 (.45 Colt) Trapper Takedown at the first of this year. Long/ short, the rifle made two trips back to Winchester in Utah and Missouri for cosmetic quality issues. On the second trip (the Arnold, MO facility), Winchester made the decision to replace the rifle with a new one.
The new rifle arrived yesterday; this sample was a significant improvement on the cosmetic side but it was not the Miroku quality I presently own. It is little things that most would not notice; the crescent butt plate does not fit flush with the wood, you can see daylight between the wood/ metal fit - it is not a large gap, but a gap none-the-less. There are two very small “dings” in the butt stock where it fits to the receiver; again, most would not notice or be bothered by them but there are still small dings in the stock. Overall, the rifle is a great looking little package and handles very well with it’s small size - it is a neat design. I still don’t know how this model shoots as my first rifle spent most of my ownership of it back at Winchester.
I paid just shy of $1,800 for this rifle and I wonder how much I have to pay for a rifle with a fitting butt plate and for the butt stock to be ding free - I do not know that answer. I am torn about calling Winchester again and posting my complaints or just settling for what I have. I know that Miroku can do excellent work because I now own a Citori XS and an 1873 Sporting that are simply flawless. Maybe it is as simple as I should call them and see what they say - I might be pleasantly surprised or I might be disappointed.
 
Yeah blame it on the COVID !! All quality control and output goes to Hell because everyone is running a fever and has covid . How do I have a roll eyes icon ?
All the missed dlivered packages are suddley , covod caused. Every thing negative is suddenly covid caused. Only place that is not blaming covid seem to be .... the CCP china produced stuff !
The.. the chip shortage we're going through is because of the impact of COVID in China.
 
Yeah blame it on the COVID !! All quality control and output goes to Hell because everyone is running a fever and has covid . How do I have a roll eyes icon ?
All the missed dlivered packages are suddley , covod caused. Every thing negative is suddenly covid caused. Only place that is not blaming covid seem to be .... the CCP china produced stuff !

Nobody said anything about covid. Workmanship on just about everything that requires skilled hand work has been on a decades long decline because labor gets more and more expensive while skilled craftsmen retire leaving nobody interested in replacing them.
 
" while skilled craftsmen retire leaving nobody interested in replacing them."

robots making polymer items is the answer , that and UN banning them worldwide. Sometimes I'm glad I'm old.

To make it germain to the discussion Miroku used to be at the pinnacle of gun craftmanship in the 70s and thru the 90s . Sounds like the "Old West" run 1870-1890 ! I bought lots of 1976-1990 Miroku firearms and wondered even then why Winchester couldn't make them as well. The Browning Miroku made long arms were absolutely impeccable !
 
Right, my Miroku Browning fako "Highwall" is of very fine workmanship. Even if they did use American Badger barrels on the BPCRs like my .40-65; own make of barrels on standard models.
 
I was not referring to covid. The quality deterioration of many products we once held in high regard started a long time before the pandemic.
About the time Marlin started putting on safety on their levers , same with Winchester . Actually If I had to pin it down across the board I'd say 80s, with brief resurgences of trying harder since until the early 2000s.
 
I acquired a Miroku 94 in 30.30 at BP to clear some credit with them few months ago (around April) after long chasing got one.
So, far impeccable bluing (dark solid), wood well fitted, my only dislike is the safety that make the action just a tad clumsy comparing to my old 94 Colt.
Looking for a 1873 but prices don't decreases.
 
I called the Winchester Arnold, MO service facility, explained my grievances with this replacement rifle and I was issued a return label.
The service person stated that he could not speak to the stock “dings” (inferring that I could have put them there) but, there should not be daylight between the crescent butt plate and the stock wood for sure - no argument though, “we will make it right.” My frustration is that I purchased the first 1892 in December of 2020 and it lived at the Winchester repair facility almost it’s entire life - now my replacement rifle has taken up residency at the Winchester service facility - I am just hopeful that it returns with Miroku yesteryear quality and I can get out of the rifle shipping business - we shall see!
 
Miroku quality has dropped.

I bought a Browning SA22 last year with horribly, and I mean horribly crooked sights. Took most of a year for Browning to finally replace the rifle after I contacted them a few times about it. The replacement rifle is decent enough but they are eliminating the fine engraving work around the border of the receiver to make the guns quicker/easier to produce.

It’s all about the bottom dollar and these legacy designs are having corners cut I’m afraid. These guys just can’t compete when Ruger and the likes can blast hundreds of polymer stocked cast metal rifles out the door in huge volumes at low costs.

We’re not the only ones experiencing Miroku issues, quite a few have expressed problems in recent months on the forums. My guess is it’s only a matter of time before either the prices on these guns goes even higher, they are discontinued, or they are cheapened further.
 
Hearing all these recent Miroku QC problems I'm glad I got my '73 when I did. I whined a bit at first because the forend walnut color was a slightly bit lighter than the stock in certain light...Talk about extreme nit picking.
 
I doubt Japanese nor American gun manufacturing will ever return to what it once was around 1990 and before . The younger populace has been indoctrinated to not pursue that trade, Few pockets of potential exist in places like Tenn. and Arizona and maybe Maine and a few others. The Custom Smiths all ways seem to migrate to rural areas out West in gun friendly areas. Welcome to the Brave New World !
 
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