1st Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg

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There are lots of vendors selling things like nice wood stocks for 500s

BS

Maybe your idea of "nice" and mine are different.

If you think there are as many options for 500 aftermarket parts as 870s, you know way too little to call what I say "bull." Yes, Mossberg barrels are cheaper. You have to buy what the factory makes, however. Not so with the 870.

Not that it necessarily matters to a first-time buyer... Which is what I said in the first place.

Bottom line? For a hunting gun, one gun or the other will feel better -- the wrist areas of the two guns are quite different, for example. Buy the one that feels better.

Sooner or later you'll get something else, anyway.
 
There are lots of vendors selling things like nice wood stocks for 500s

BS

Maybe your idea of "nice" and mine are different.
More likely, my idea that it's best to know what you're talking about before shooting off your mouth is different from your thinking on the matter. As for the "nice stocks" issue, another poster has already given you one example of quite nice stocks for the 500 (likely nicer than most people are going to want to put on a < $300 shotgun.)

If you think there are as many options for 500 aftermarket parts as 870s, you know way too little to call what I say "bull."
There's a good example of what I"m talking about. I didn't say there were "as many options" for aftermarket parts for the 500, so you're flapping your jaw here without bothering to understand what you're going on about first. I countered your claim that accessories and parts for the 870 "are the same price or cheaper than those for the Mossberg" and are therefor "easier" to buy.

Yes, Mossberg barrels are cheaper.
Being just one example of why your claim is false.

You have to buy what the factory makes, however. Not so with the 870.
So what? The fact remains that I was able to outfit my 500 with accessory barrels for less money than you would be typically able to buy their equivalents for your 870. Is the fact that I got them from the OEM supposed to be some sort of disadvantage?

Oh, by the way....for a hair under $100 I can get a barrel from Mossberg that will turn my 500 into a muzzleloader. You can't do that with your 870.

Look, I don't care which shotgun (if any) the OP ultimately gets. Either will easily fill the needs indicated. But let's at least give him honest and informed feedback instead of tossing out biased nonsense.
 
I'd rather have plastic than wood on a working shotgun. Them walnut stocks are pretty, wouldn't stay that way more'n a season in the salt marsh. I'm about function, not looks. I buy a shotgun to hunt with, not to look at. Looks ain't gonna kill more birds and neither the 870 nor the 500 is a fine English double when it comes to looks. If I wanna look at a shotgun, I'll get some pictures of a high grade Holland and Holland. I'll never be able to afford one, so I'll just look at the pictures. ROFL!

I really don't care which gun has more aftermarket, either. I bought my camo M500 near 20 years ago. It came with a sling and UMs studs. All I've added to it is ammo and it's killed a LOT of duck and geese in those 20 years and fired a lot of 3" mag. I don't know if I've ever fired a 2 3/4" out of it, use my Winchester 1400 for doves all these years. All I do with a shotgun is hunt birds. I don't shoot clays TOO often, once in a great while. And, I've got handguns for defense, though I've been leaving my little Spartan coach gun (bought it to hunt dove with) in the bedroom for safe room defense lately. I ain't into tacticool at all, couldn't care less about tacticool shotguns. The only thing the 870 has on the 500 is tacticool aftermarket, as I see it. The 500 has MUCH better ergos for a left handed shooter, for any shooter, really. That's the main reason I own one over an 870. Either gun will kill birds as is right out of the box. It's just which one you like better. For me, the Mossy's ergos won the day. As far as fit, neither fits me well. As I said, the 500 does now since I shimmed it. You can shim an 870, too. I don't see out of the box fit as a big deal. You can MAKE the gun fit you. If you really want a great fitting shotgun out of the box (well, it's an individual thing), Winchesters do it for me, at least the old 1300 and my 1400. Right out of the box, they feel MUCH better than any 870 or 500. I don't have to do a thing to my 1400, fits like a glove. 870s and 500s are more like OJ's glove, need alteration. Length of pull is fine, close enough, but they need more drop at the comb for me. Shimming is easy enough to do, though.
 
Oh, by the way....for a hair under $100 I can get a barrel from Mossberg that will turn my 500 into a muzzleloader. You can't do that with your 870.

Cool!

I wonder if I can turn either gun into a Razor Scooter...
 
Them walnut stocks are pretty, wouldn't stay that way more'n a season in the salt marsh. I'm about function, not looks. I buy a shotgun to hunt with, not to look at.

True enough. However, if you want a fitted stock for any reason, the 870 is your best option. If the standard Mossberg stock fits you out of the box, by all means, get the Mossy.

When I said "nice", I didn't just mean "wood replacement parts" like the ones above, or "extra fancy walnut", though of course the availability for the 870 is excellent for both. Composites and custom-fitted stocks are also more readily available.

Depends what you want, and what you want the gun for. Also depends on whether the standard dimensions of off-the-shelf guns work for you. I'm lucky that I can shoot most off-the-shelf guns okay. I know people who can't, and at least basic fitted stocks are a must for them.

Salt marshes are a really harsh environment, but desert quail hunting requires a gun that shoulders instantly and instinctively. I've moved away from 12 Gauge pumps for that kind of upland shooting; too many days coming home empty handed. The guns just don't pop up quick enough. I can see wanting a fitted gun for that, too. I wouldn't use the same gun for waterfowl, though.

An 870 can be made into a winning trap gun, too, with readily available accessories, or a very accurate deer gun (Hastings barrels aren't cheap, but they're good). If you'll never want to do that, hey, I can see that, too. Just like I can't ever see turning a 500 into a muzzleloader.

Bummer about the 1300. That was a nice gun. I wonder if the American Winchester will be resurrected.

BPS deserves a look, too, BTW. Lefties in particular will appreciate that it is ambidextrous, and non-slobs will like picking up their shells from their feet rather than somewhere in the bushes. Works well for lots of things.
 
I wonder if I can turn either gun into a Razor Scooter...
If your local hunting regulations permit you to run over game animals with a scooter then I guess your question might not be a thouroughly stupid one.

An 870 can be made into a winning trap gun, too, with readily available accessories, or a very accurate deer gun (Hastings barrels aren't cheap, but they're good).
Fortunately, you can turn the 500 into a 100 yd. deer gun with a barrel that *is* very reasonably priced.

If you'll never want to do that, hey, I can see that, too. Just like I can't ever see turning a 500 into a muzzleloader.
You might not be able to see it, but many others can. I'm seriously contemplating it in order to extend my hunting season on some local public lands by several weeks. Less expensive than buying a whole muzzleloader, and easier to store too.
 
Okay.

My local regs permit me to shoot game animals with a bow. Can I get a barrel that will turn a 500 into a bow?

I find that about as desirable as turning it into a muzzleloader. But if it's a selling point to you, by all means, the 500 is the only shotgun to buy.:rolleyes:
 
Okay.

My local regs permit me to shoot game animals with a bow. Can I get a barrel that will turn a 500 into a bow?

I find that about as desirable as turning it into a muzzleloader. But if it's a selling point to you, by all means, the 500 is the only shotgun to buy.
Pretty funny. Instead of simply recognizing and admitting that your original claims (which are the issue here) were demonstrably false, you're now trying to obfuscate things with a series of asinine dodges and attempts at misdirection. Very impressive.
 
your original claims (which are the issue here) were demonstrably false,

What did you demonstrate?

That you can buy generic replacement wood for a 500 and Mossberg's barrels are cheap (Mossberg's barrels are also cheap for the 870)?

Look, Wenig, Boyd's, et al make 870 wood. A lot of trap records have been set with 870s, and some people like to use them. That will not matter to someone who shoots slugs, but the fact is, the stock availability for the 870 platform is much larger.

That's different from big game hunting, I know. Totally different. Depends on what you want. I think you will be able to hunt deer with either gun, with cheap barrels. If you want an accurate 200-yard sabot slug gun, you can build it from an 870. Not worth it if you don't need it. That's what Hastings offers; obviously, they're not the only deer barrels for the 870.

I'm lucky enough to live in a place where F&G hasn't caught on to the ridiculous notion that a modern slug load is "safer" than a .30-30, though they are looking to ban lead bullets in places.:rolleyes:
 
ArmedBear said:
...An 870 can be made into a winning trap gun, too...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=79862622
Mossberg 500APTR (A=12GA P=pigeon grade TR=trap):
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Pretty much ANYTHING available for the 870 is also going to be available for the 500....

BOTH are great guns!!

BOTH will outlast ANY shooter.

Buy the one that fits and feels the best....

(This is fun.....)
 
870 Express is the best shotgun for the price. It will last forever. I have one that I have used it as a gun to put in the truck in case I get to hunt. I have used it several times on dove, duck and deer. It performed solidly and smooth. Now I normally use it as a loaner to my friends that don't have a shotgun.
A Browning A-5 or Browning Gold is the best shotgun out there in my opinion.
Military and normal Mossbergs slides have a tendency to become rattle traps when used heavily. Mossbergs are also a pain in the A$$ to take down for cleaning when compared to the 870.
A Mossberg will get the job done for a little cheaper, but it is not something that you should expect to hand down to your kids. If you are turkey hunting or something where you won't be shooting many times, then it really would be more of a whatever fits. The resale value is going to be crap on both.
 
What did you demonstrate?

That you can buy replacement wood for a 500 and Mossberg's barrels are cheap (also cheap for the 870)?
I guess honest/intelligent dialog just isn't a part of your repertoir (though that should have been obvious to me after reading your earlier posts.)

Never mind. I have no interest in wasting any more time teaching a pig to sing.
 
LOL

Good luck building that thing today (which is what I was posting about). I never said a 500 receiver couldn't possibly hit clay pigeons (or live ones, as the grade hints). Far from that. Just that you can do a build on an 870 realistically, today, with available parts.

Interesting collector's item. I wonder how long they produced those things.
 
ArmedBear said:
...Interesting collector's item. I wonder how long they produced those things....

I don't know, but I bet it could pull double duty as a boat paddle.... let's see you do that with an 870 !! :D
 
Repertoire

LOL You're clearly interested in honest/intelligent dialog.
Thanks for proving my point. Using a typographical error (dropped characters being one of the most common variety) as a distraction is the best you can manage.
 
Keep it High Road

This is disintegrating quickly. And from my limited experience, ArmedBear's willingness to contribute here is one of the reasons to keep coming back. Time probably for all of us to just be quiet for a bit ...
 
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