$2,000 and Roles to Fill

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If you had a 10/22, a Mark III and $2,000 to put together a "budget arsenal," what would you choose? Assume ammunition has a separate budget (but should still be cost-effective if possible). The weapons must be readily available on the current market. Prices can be approximate. Most important factors: price/availability of ammunition, reliability, and durability. You may use the 10/22 or Mark III to fill a role if you reasonably believe it would be capable in it. You may also use one weapon for more than one role provided the application is practical. To maintain the integrity of the exercise, assume that these would be the only weapons you would ever own. Roles include:

Nightstand or Under the bed gun:
"Pack" or "Kit" gun:
Trunk gun:
Car gun (handgun):
Concealed carry (capable of IWB and pocket carry in shorts):
Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine):
Defensive sidearm:
Long rifle (bolt-action):

Without combining roles or using the .22s, that's $250 per weapon. Good luck. Have fun.
 
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Well, to get all that for $2k, you're definitely looking at used if you want any semblance of quality.

"Pack" or "Kit" gun: Hi Standard Sentinel (9-shot .22 Revolver, ~$150-$200)
Trunk gun: Mosin or used 12 ga. (~$100)
Car gun: Handgun? Used Sigma (~$200)
Concealed carry (capable of IWB and pocket carry in shorts): P3AT ($270)
Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine): Used Kel-Tec SU-16 (~$350)
Defensive sidearm: Police trade-in S&W 5906 ($350)
Long rifle (bolt-action): Used Savage or Howa ($250-$400)

That'll put you right at $2k after tax.
 
Good suggestions. I think I would opt to combine trunk gun and defensive carbine and go with a half decent used AK47 at $400+. I think that would trump most others in both categories. Would also reduce the number of calibers to buy ammo for.
 
If I were in that situation I'd buy fewer, higher quality guns. I'd far rather have a few good quality guns than a whole room full of so-so ones. No offense, and not meaning to be a snob, but the used Savage or Howa are the only gun's on the first list that I'd have the remotest interest in besides the original .22's. And I'd pass on a centerfire rifle like those as they'd have very limited utility in the state (Ohio) where I live.

With an additional 2K to gear up I'd get the following:

-Ruger LCR in .38 or .357 for CCW New $400-450, used save (maybe) $50-75.

-Glock G34 or G17L 9mm, last new one I got was ~ $650 otd, used save $100 or so. Side arm, bedside gun, trailgun or whatever other roll it needs to fill.

-A used NEF or H&R single shot shotgun. Maybe $70-80 used.

-The best AR I could find for the remainder, for any rifle duties.

Conbined with the original .22's that would make for a very nice all around battery for my uses. I'd far rather make those fewer guns fill multiple roles than have lesser weapons.
 
You appear to be going for quantity over quality

with that said I would combine roles for the handgun so you get 3 in one or at least 2 in 1.

GLOCK 19/23- BEDSIDE/CAR/CCW/DEF SA $550 W NIGHT SITES
REMINGTON 870- UNDER BED GUN/TRUNK GUN $350
DPMS AR-15- $600 CARBINE Walmart
SAVAGE IN 308-$400-$500 HUNTING/LONG RANGE
RUGER MARK 3 KIT GUN
10/22 SMALL GAME/PEST CONTROL/PLINKING

You could of course buy a used glock 22 for about $350 and a used 870 for about $250 and use the savings to buy a an LCP or LC9 for pocket carry. You could also substitute a Saiga or AK for the AR-15 and save $150-$200.
 
I don't really know what a pack or kit gun is...

Trunk Gun: Mosin M44 ($150)
Car Handgun: Hi-Point ($150), Sigma ($250), or Ruger P95/89 ($300)
CCW Handgun: Kahr CM9 ($350), or Kahr CW9 ($350)
Defensive Long: SKS ($300), Saiga ($500), Ruger Mini ($600), Low-End AR ($600)
Defensive Handgun: Taurus 92 ($350), Used Glock 22 ($400), Sig 2022 ($400), Taurus 24/7 ($350), Used XD ($400), Rock Island 1911 ($400), Ruger SR ($375), Stoeger ($350)
Bolt Action: Marlin XL7 ($325), Savage Axis ($300), Ruger American ($325), or Mossberg 100ATR ($275)

All for $1600 to $2125, nothing combined, excluding your .22s.

But I do agree with buying fewer of better quality. For example, since people don't really need a bolt action except while hunting or at the range, that could be kept in the trunk. Also, if you have a CCW handgun on you at all times, and perhaps even a defensive pistol, then why the need for a car handgun? I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but with a $2,000 budget, it's probably better to do it like that (combine).
 
Great responses so far. By kit/pack gun I mean a gun to toss in my hiking/BOB and leave there.

And I assumed there would be a combination of roles to get more quality. I am not seeking quantity over quality, just the best weapons for 2K to fill those rolls.
 
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if i had 2k to drop. i would either get one gun or two or maybe three (lol)since i already have "alot"

an early 1911, like around 1917 ish (1500+)
Desert Eagle 50 (1200+/-)
S&W 500 (1200+/-)
and maybe a Semi Auto Shotgun (600-900)

i dont deal in trunk guns, or pack guns. all my guns are all packed for bug out.
 
Nightstand or Under the bed gun:

Hi-Point .45

"Pack" or "Kit" gun:

Hi-Point .380

Trunk gun:

Hi-Point carbine

Car gun (handgun):

Hi-Point, your choice.

Concealed carry (capable of IWB and pocket carry in shorts):

Hi-Point 9mm (use good, strong belt)

Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine):

Second Hi-Point carbine

Defensive sidearm:

Hi-Point, your choice.

Long rifle (bolt-action):

Hi-Point, uh, I mean, Mosin Nagant.

You can get all that for a couple hundred bucks and maybe be on Season Two of Doomsday Preppers, since I saw more Hi-Points displayed on that show than in Louie's Gunshop.

The folks that had them bought the cheapest they could find so they could check it off the Prepper's "things to buy" list......which looks like this list.

All kidding aside, Posts 6 & 8 nailed it pretty well.
 
That's a lot of guns to bug out with. I'm in great shape, and I wouldn't want to carry those + ammunition for each.

2 pistols, and a carbine OR scoped bolt-action rifle (depending on scenario). That's all I'd take.
 
Here is my attempt:

Home Defense: Maverick 88 ($225)
Trunk: SKS ($350)
Long/Hunting Rifle: Mosin Nagant M91/30 ($150)
Battle Rifle: Mini-14 Tactical ($700)
Sidearm/IWB: CZ-82 ($250)
Car/Pocket carry: Polish P-64 ($250)
Kit Gun: Mark III

Total: $1,925

I'd put the remaining $75 toward a used H&R Single Shot or perhaps couple it with the Mark III to trade in for a SR22 (much better suited for a bug out bag). I know I am going catch flack for the Mini (not exactly a budget buy), but I think a non-militaristic looking tactical carbine with high capacity detachable magazines is the best bet for an overall defense rifle.
 
Ok, I'll give my list.

Nightstand/Under the bed gun/car gun/concealed carry/defensive gun:

Glock 19/17 or M&P (4" or compact). You might lose pocket carry, but that's not an ideal way to carry, anyhow. Cost: $350 - $500

"Pack" or "Kit" gun:

Your existing Ruger .22's

Trunk gun/Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine):

I wouldn't store a long gun in the car or trunk, same as I wouldn't store a handgun. But a defensive rifle could go into the trunk as I pack for the trip. If something happened requiring me to use this long gun, then for me, the S has indeed HTF. In which case I want an AR or Mini-14. Cost: $700-$1000

Long rifle (bolt-action):

The Ruger American rifle at $319 is cheaper than a .300 Blackout upper for the AR.

Adding up the prices, I'm at $1369 - $1819. I'd get spare mags, holster and sights/scopes with the remainder.
 
Four guns is hardly an "arsenal".

Indeed, an arsenal is a manufacturing plant, anyway. We're looking for the word "armory"; for the storage and maintanence of firearms.

As far as roles, I'd put a shotgun of some stripe on that list...

TCB
 
Perhaps I should have phrased the question like this: If you had $2K and your .22LR guns to make the most complete weapons system possible, how would you spend it?

The general bases covered should be home defense, CCW, trunk, bug-out carbine/pistol, and long rifle.
 
The general bases covered should be home defense, CCW, trunk, bug-out carbine/pistol, and long rifle.

"trunk" is not a base that needs to be covered.

CCW, home defense and bug-out pistol is still a Glock 19/17 or M&P. $350 - $500

Bug-out carbine is still an AR or Mini-14, $700 - $1000

Ruger American at $319 is still the "long gun."

If you feel the need for a shotgun, add an 870 for $200 - $300. It can pull duty as the "safe room gun," in addition to hunting.
 
If you had a 10/22, a Mark III and $2,000 to put together a "budget arsenal," what would you choose?

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You may also use one weapon for more than one role provided the application is practical. To maintain the integrity of the exercise, assume that these would be the only weapons you would ever own. Roles include:

Nightstand or Under the bed gun:
"Pack" or "Kit" gun:
[strike]Trunk gun:[/strike]
Car gun (handgun):
Concealed carry (capable of IWB and pocket carry in shorts):
Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine):
Defensive sidearm:
Long rifle (bolt-action):

Without combining roles or using the .22s, that's $250 per weapon. Good luck. Have fun.

Someone else has already mentioned the "arsenal" thing, so I won't thump on that. Even "armory" is probably inflating things a bit. "Arsenal" is press-speak for "OMG! What a crap-load of gunz!" Those are some trolls worth not feeding.


Perhaps I should have phrased the question like this: If you had $2K and your .22LR guns to make the most complete weapons system possible, how would you spend it?

The general bases covered should be home defense, CCW, trunk, bug-out carbine/pistol, and long rifle.

Well, this might be an interesting exercise . . .

Nightstand or
Under the bed gun:
. . . Well, I would use maybe the XD-40. ($550 new with night sights)
"Pack" or "Kit" gun: . . . I use the Marlin P70SS Papoose. ($220 new)
Car gun (handgun): . . . I rotate, but suitable for this is the Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro. ($330 new)
Concealed carry
(capable of IWB and
pocket carry in shorts):
. . . Yeah. Mine (Kahr P9 @ $600 new) is not going to fit the price profile,
although maybe decent price used, so let me suggest either the
Kel-Tec PF9 or the Ruger LC9 @ $350 or so.
Oh, wait, I forgot the Taurus PT709 "Slim" @ $300.
Defensive rifle
(SHTF carbine):
. . . You've already covered the Ruger Mini 14, so let me suggest the
Kel-Tec SU-16 Bravo. ($500 used) It accepts standard AR mags, eats
virtually any ammo, weighs less than 5 lbs, folds up for pack carry.
Frankly, it doesn't have the build quality of the Mini 14, but mine have
never malfunctioned.
Defensive sidearm: . . . Taurus PT911, compact 9mm service pistol, 15 round mag. (paid $350 new,
now $450 or so) Compare to CZ-75B at ~$575.
Prefer the CZ if you have the dollars.
Long rifle (bolt-action): . . . Well, I don't actually own a bolt-action rifle.
Let me therefore suggest a lever action: Marlin 336 series. Can be had
for around $300-$400

Now, looking over the prices I've quoted, I can see that with a little shopping you can bring those prices down, since some of them are quoted as new.

I like the Taurus PT911, but if I had it to do over again, I'd spend the extra bucks and take the CZ 75B. They were side by side in the case when I got mine, and I actually went prepared to get the CZ 75B P01, for only about $100 more, but the PT911 pointed more naturally, held more rounds, cost less, so I went with that. In hindsight, I'd take the CZ on a do-over.

The PT709 wasn't available when I was shopping, but given recent news reports, it seems to be very much up to the job.

Using the PT111 as a car gun is viable if you don't have a lot of space. It will drop into most center consoles. It also has a self-resetting double-action trigger, which allows a second-chance re-strike on a misfire. It has a 12-round capacity, so it's compact size isn't that much of a compromise. Considering that a "car gun" would be at least partly a precaution against car jacking, having a ready-to-go pistol that requires nothing beyond "pull the trigger" isn't a bad idea.

Sorry I don't have any advice on bolt-action rifles. If ammo availability and common use is a factor, then the Marlin 336 series (.30-30) is perhaps a viable alternative. With the newer Hornady ammo, it's an honest 300 yard rifle. With a tang sight or low-end optic, 200 yards is pretty much cake. With a decent optic, 300 yards is proven. With the more conventional ammo, you can expect good performance at 150 yards, or even 200. The .30-30 cartridge is easily one of the most common cartridges out there, found on shelves in remote mom-n-pop general stores and gas stations.

The Ruger Mini 14 -- especially one made within the last six years -- is certainly a viable "emergency" rifle. It uses another really commonplace round, available in a whole range of loadings for darn near any application. It should be noted that this would also be quite suitable for home defense. Although I suggested the SU-16 series as an alternative, the Ruger's build quality is better, and if it had to last a lifetime, I'd take the Ruger over the Kel-Tec.
[I will remark, though, that the folding Kel-Tec rifle might be useful as a kit gun. Especially the "Charlie" version. Compact, light, common round, common magazine, can also be fired when the stock is folded (unlike the Alpha and Bravo versions).]​

My kit rifle choice (Marlin Papoose) was predicated on a couple of things. It's really light. It's more durable than the AR-7. It shoots the most common ammo anywhere. You can carry the rifle and a hundred rounds of ammo, and still be carrying less weight than a lot of other rifles without any ammo. Mine lives in the truck, along with a brick of 500 rounds, and a few hundred rounds of performance quality ammo (Stingers, Velocitors, etc.), and I could grab the rifle in its carry bag, a couple hundred rounds of ammo, and still have space and weight allocation for everything else.

So, maybe somewhere in all this rambling there is something you can use.

Enjoy.

 
Well, I'd sell those guns that are in the "already had" because I have no use for em. Pistol for CCW and first-line HD, carbine for HD primary. Money to spare can go for accessories or backup weapons (i.e. in case I need to turn one gun in to the shop).
 
Ruger makes enough to cover my needs.

Two SR9c, plus spare mags. Mini 14 Tactical (ATI stock). Spare mags.

Maybe throw in a Gunsite Scout Rifle in .308.

CCW, home defense, the pistols accept 17 round mags for duty purposes... hunting is covered...
 
AR-15, with 6 mags and 1000 rounds, suppressed with a scope, or affordable optic
12 Gauge shotgun, semi auto,8 round minimum maybe a remington or mossberg 620- a half case minimum assorted buckshot and slugs
S&W 357 magnum, with 4 inch barrell-500 assorted roounds of 38 and 357
9mm glock 19- 4-6 mags amd a case of assortedIf I had to cut down one to afford ammo, it would be the 9mm.
I don't know if ammo is included here so I factored it in, if not, I would buy better optics and more accessories like laser and tac lights.
 
Nightstand or Under the bed gun: S&W SD9/Glock 19/M&P/Similar, or the AK, or the shotgun- depends on my mood!

"Pack" or "Kit" gun: (Same as nightstand gun/carry/car gun)

Trunk gun: Saiga 5.45 converted $600

Car gun (handgun): (Same as nightstand gun/carry/car gun) $300-550

Concealed carry (capable of IWB and pocket carry in shorts): Has to be
small? Kel-Tec PF-9, otherwise the same S&W/Glock $250

Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine): (AK as above, or the shotgun)

Defensive sidearm: (Same as nightstand gun/carry/car gun)

Long rifle- replaced by sporting/hunting/defensive shotgun, 'cuz I like tactical shotguns, hunting, and shooting trap, and have an AK for rifle work: Maverick 88/Mossberg/H&R/Remington with 18 and 28 inch barrels total $350-$450


Total of $1500-$1750. Comes out to:
AK for 2A/Defense/WROL/Plinking
Pump Shotgun for trap, HD, hunting
Wondernine for carry, plinking, HD
PF-9 for carry/BUG/Deep Conceal
Sell the Mk III to buy more 9mm :D
Sell the 10/22 to buy more 12g/5.45 :D
 
I honestly think your specifications are unreasonable. They only way to fill those roles with guns of acceptable quality (particularly important with SD guns) is to cut the total number by combining roles.

  • Nightstand or Under the bed gun: Glock 19 or Mossberg 590 SP
  • "Pack" or "Kit" gun: Ruger LCP
  • Trunk gun: Norinco SKS or Mossberg 590 SP
  • Car gun (handgun): Glock 19
  • Concealed carry (capable of IWB and pocket carry in shorts): Ruger LCP
  • Defensive rifle (SHTF carbine): Norinco SKS
  • Defensive sidearm: Glock 19
  • Long rifle (bolt-action): Savage Axis XP w/Scope in .308
$500 - Glock 19
$450 - Mossberg 590
$280 - Ruger LCP
$280 - Norinco SKS
$320 - Savage Axis XP
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$1830 Total

These represent actual street prices for new guns (except the SKS obviously) Add in transfers and tax and that should take you to just about $2000. You could obviously upgrade some choices by going with more used guns. If so, the first upgrade I would look at would be the SKS to a AK variant, as that's the only choice I'm not totally satisfied with.
 
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How about

XD sub compact 9mm - Nightstand and CCW - $400.00 used
Mark III 22lr. - Pack gun -$0.00 you have it already
Ruger 10/22 - Trunk gun - $0.00 you have it already
XD Full size 9mm - Car gun - $400 used
XD sub compact 9mm (see above)
Mossberg 500 with 18, 22, and 26 in barrels- Defensive rifle and Hunting - $350 to $400 used also can use Sabot slugs for long range
XD Tac 5in barrel 9mm - Defensive sidearm - $450.00 used uses same mags as you CCW, nightstand gun and car gun.
$1,600. to $1,650.

With the mony left I would look for a used mini 14 or another 12g
 
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