2 Things I WANT to Know about the Virginia Tech Massacre

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There are three things that I think we all NEED to know about the horrible events today at Virginia Tech:

1. Was the weapon(s) used in the shooting purchased legally?

2. Were ANY students/professors in the main building prevented from carrying legally owned CHL'd handguns on campus?

To my reckoning, if the answer to Question 1 is NO and the weapon or weapons used in this massacre were obtained illegally, then that's IT. Any time a gun control nut mentions a new ban and references this event, someone needs to stand up and NOPE, wouldn't have made a lick of difference. Logical fallacy, illustrating political mining of a tragedy.

Again, to my reckoning, if the answer to Question 2 is YES, then this directly illustrates how restrictive gun laws put the public at DIRECT RISK. As has been mentioned elsewhere: A) Several school shootings have been prevented/stopped by a legally armed citizen. B) A bill was recently taken up in Virginia to allow students/professors with CHLs to get an additional permit to legally carry on campus....BUT IT WAS DEFEATED!

I sincerely hope that the anti-gun people don't attempt to politicize this event in an attempt to re-vitalize their dying movement. If they pursue it, which I think we all know they will, we need to have representatives ready to illustrate how these people's misguided attempts either have no effect on gun crime or actually put law-abiding citizens at increased risk.

Thats all.
 
I just read the Washington Post edition of the story and they claim someone in law enforcement, who wished to remain anonyous, stated the firearms were two 9mm handguns.

I'm waiting for the media mention of the failed bill that would have allowed students, faculty and administrators to legally possess firearms on campus. This might have been a different outcome had sense prevailed.

There will probably be a lot that will never be made public because it won't support the anti-gun agenda.....
 
Yes, I'm hearing "two 9mm pistols."

A judge on Fox News just made the point that a year ago VA state legislature passed a law forbidding legally armed CHL citizens from carrying on campus.
 
I sincerely hope that the anti-gun people don't attempt to politicize this event in an attempt to re-vitalize their dying movement.
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True to form, they started dancing on the victims' graves before the victims were even put in the morgue, let alone buried. By the time you posted...let's just say that you didn't even have to bother trying to hold your breath on this one.

My hope is that the general public will see this for what it really is - a horrible tragedy that could have been averted or significantly ameliorated if students and faculty would have been allowed to carry on campus.

I'd like to know how many students and faculty have CCWs - and, particularly, if one of the direct victims had one. It'd be interesting - but unlike the gun-hating ghouls, I'd like to see everyone observe a decent interval before politics gets involved.
 
1. The media hasn't said yet. All I heard was that the ATF(E) was in the process of tracing the origin of the firearms.

2. In Ohio at least, you cannot concealed carry on any school grounds, whether it be elementary, high school, college, etc.



(first post by the way, been lurking for awhile)
 
VT, not the state, prohibits guns on campus. The Judge on Fox speculates lawsuits may be filed against the school for denying people the right to defend themselves.
 
Again, I want to know EXACTLY HOW the weapons were acquired.

Like I said at the beginning, IF they were acquired illegally, then linking gun ban legislation to this event is little more petty political pandering and is disgusting. It should be fought at every turn.

IF it turns out that they were acquired legally, then we can have the inanimate object vs. crazy person debate.
 
If they were m16s or ak 47s with 50 or 100 round drums the media would of had a field day but since they were 9mm pistols they aren't bringing it up. Why arent they bringing up the fact that they denied law abiding citizens right to carry on campus or why there was 2 hour difference between the 1st shooting and 2nd :fire:
 
thedpp said:
If they were m16s or ak 47s with 50 or 100 round drums the media would of had a field day but since they were 9mm pistols they aren't bringing it up. Why arent they bringing up the fact that they denied law abiding citizens right to carry on campus or why there was 2 hour difference between the 1st shooting and 2nd
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Well, to be fair, BOTH CNN and FOX have asked why the school wasn't locked down immediately after the 1st shooting.

As has been said, FOX has mentioned several times about the failed attempt to extend CHLs to school campuses.
 
my wife graduated from VT years ago, she's upset. I told her how universities that ban legally owned guns should think again. she agrees but thinks most schools are kinda liberal by nature. VT did and still does ban guns from teachers and students.
 
First bit of news I see today and it's this.
Horrible.
What a body count.
I wonder what the outcome would've been if one student was CCW. All it takes is one to fight back.
I can already here the anti-gun peanut gallery wailing away.
 
Not to throw cold water on CHL's, but a WHAT IF. What if a CHL did engage the shooter, but it degraded into a gunfight. When the LE's arrive, who do they shoot? Probably both, unless the CHL sees them in time and disengages.

Don't get me wrong, I am definitely pro-gun, pro-CHL, just wondering what might happen if you can't take the guy out with one shot.
 
2. Were ANY students/professors in the main building prevented from carrying legally owned CHL'd handguns on campus?
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Does anyone have the CHL list from the Roanoke Times? All we have to do is compare the list of victims to that list and we'll at least know whether any of the victims were disarmed by the administration.
 
All we have to do is compare the list of victims to that list and we'll at least know whether any of the victims were disarmed by the administration.
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Not really. The RT list was by town/county. As VT takes people from all over the commonwealth (and out of state as well) it wouldn't do much good without hours of research.


I too am wanting details. AFAIK nobody even knows who the shooter was yet.
 
ABC News said a 9mm and a .22 They also mentioned that before the assault weapons ban expired, he would have been limited to a 10 rd magazine, now he might have had as many as 19 in the clip. I'm not sure how that would have made a difference, since they reported he had multible magazines.
 
I'll tell ya one thing:

If a guy is out in the hallway with a pair of high-cap 9mm handguns, I ain't gonna willingly go out and engage him with anything short of an SMG and body armor.

If I were a dedicated CCW type who illicitly carried on a college campus, I would probably have a very small pocket auto or j-snub on my person and possibly a moderate-sized handgun in my backpack.

So, best gun at my disposal would be a 1911 or mid-sized revolver and then a new york reload with my pocket BuG. This guy reportedly had a vest with a lot of mags on the front... improvised armor.

Terrible situation even under the "ideal" CCW description here.
 
2. Were ANY students/professors in the main building prevented from carrying legally owned CHL'd handguns on campus?
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Many would have been under age regardless. It seems to me if one is old enough to join the military, they are old enough to train for a CHL and be considered qualified to carry a gun. The age for actually purchasing a gun would not necessarily have to change, if it would make all the hand wringers feel better if a parent or guardian actually purchased the weapon. Carry by other than the registered owner or registration directly to the minor would have to be accommodated by the regulations.

I live near Clemson University and enjoy observing students practice at the range. I especially enjoyed watching one young woman who was quite proficient and confident with a .357 snubby. There is no carry on campus though or at any "school" in South Carolina. I will assume that these shooter students have quarters off campus and are of age.
 
[ABC] also mentioned that before the assault weapons ban expired, he would have been limited to a 10 rd magazine, now he might have had as many as 19 in the clip.
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False. ABC is wrong, as usual. The ban did not ban those magazines. It simple limited supply and increased their price. Even 30+-round pre-ban glock 9mm mags were available.
 
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