200 yards, .308.....5/8" group!
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Maverick223
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Scared? Nice shooting, lets see 5...
im curently working on some loads for a savage 110 .308 i jut built. i have my first group with vargte, 42.6 grain, and a 150 sst at about 3/4" at 100 yards. i going to see if i can shrink that a little now. good shooting. one day i hope to be able to shoot at 200.
The vast majority of my rifle shooting uses cast bullets, so my out-of-pocket costs are much less than if I use commercial jacketed bullets.
I routinely shoot TEN-round groups, finding that they give me a more-precise reading on how the rifle and load are truly performing. Even five-round groups can easily mislead us.
Some years ago, a writer questioned the ballisticians from quite a few bullet-makers such as Sierra, Speer and others, asking what they thought was the MINIMUM number of rounds-per-group required for an honest evaluation of a load's accuracy. After much hemming, hawing, and beating around the bush, it all cooked down to these ballisticians' collective opinion that seven rounds was the minimum number of rounds-per-group for a valid determination of comparative accuracy.
If the rifle ROUTINELY shoots tiny 3-shot groups, that's wonderful. My Savage .338 gave me three consecutive 3-shotters under 3/4" from 100 yards (two groups were under 1/2"), with three slightly-different charges of RE-19 powder. Since I was shooting the 75-cents-per-bullet Barnes TSX, I immediately declared my "load development" to be over, zeroed the rifle, and went hunting. In over forty years of handloading, this was the ONLY time I was this fortunate.
I routinely shoot TEN-round groups, finding that they give me a more-precise reading on how the rifle and load are truly performing. Even five-round groups can easily mislead us.
Some years ago, a writer questioned the ballisticians from quite a few bullet-makers such as Sierra, Speer and others, asking what they thought was the MINIMUM number of rounds-per-group required for an honest evaluation of a load's accuracy. After much hemming, hawing, and beating around the bush, it all cooked down to these ballisticians' collective opinion that seven rounds was the minimum number of rounds-per-group for a valid determination of comparative accuracy.
If the rifle ROUTINELY shoots tiny 3-shot groups, that's wonderful. My Savage .338 gave me three consecutive 3-shotters under 3/4" from 100 yards (two groups were under 1/2"), with three slightly-different charges of RE-19 powder. Since I was shooting the 75-cents-per-bullet Barnes TSX, I immediately declared my "load development" to be over, zeroed the rifle, and went hunting. In over forty years of handloading, this was the ONLY time I was this fortunate.
BruceB said:
Bruce, that's priceless and FUNNY and I know EXACTLY how you feel ...
. I have 400 Barnes TSX BT bullets in 168gr and 180gr that I've never shot since I can't bear the thought of working up a load using them. I recently ordered some Nosler 168gr bullets and plan on using those to get close on the Barnes 168s before final "tuning". I'm still chuckling over your "declared my load development to be over" comment ... HA!
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Cherry picking can reduce your average internet group size. :banghead:
Truely, every shot counts, even so called flyers and cold bore shots.
The key word here is routinely, whether is 3 or 5 shot groups. Try shooting five 5 shot groups on one target(5 seperate bulls) at any distance. ie. 100,200, 300 yards etc, show the results with an unedited pic, nothing but the target face with 25 holes in it. Heck even 3 shots groups will do. If it's a true 1/2 moa rifle/shooter combination it shouldnt be a problem.
Here's an example, it's just a simple ladder test. Ten 3 shot groups at 100yards shot round robin style. I was working up a load trying to find the sweet spot for the bullet/powder combination that's all. Every shot was accounted for,the average group size came out to .520", so much for a .5 moa rifle. I could have very easily only shown the bug holes and mis represented how the rifle shot that outing.
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3 shots are just fine for a tactical rifle. That first shot is the most important one. He is not going to shoot matches with it. If it can consistently print those kind of three shot groups, he's good to go IMHO.
If it continues to shoot those kind of groups after it warms up, even better, especially if POI stays the same.
If it continues to shoot those kind of groups after it warms up, even better, especially if POI stays the same.
Mine sure didn't shoot like that off the shelf!
Still factory barrel, but took a TON of trigger tuning, optics tuning, ect to get groups like that. (1/2 MOA)
Here is my favorite paper puncher,
Day/night optics, suppressor, extra firing pin, spare parts kit, 50 rounds of 'Specialty' ammo, ect. all in one case.
Makes my life MUCH easier!
Still factory barrel, but took a TON of trigger tuning, optics tuning, ect to get groups like that. (1/2 MOA)
Here is my favorite paper puncher,
Day/night optics, suppressor, extra firing pin, spare parts kit, 50 rounds of 'Specialty' ammo, ect. all in one case.
Makes my life MUCH easier!
Walkalong said:
... yeah, and it's 0.75 MOA off target at 200 yards!!!
The terrorist just got his teeth knocked out but managed to press the detonator!krochus was on the right track when he made a list of "demands" for posting groups. We should add "post all targets shot that day" to the list.
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Next weekend I'll do 5 (3) shot groups at 200 yards, I'll post the entire target. Based on previous shooting days, there will probably be 4 groups around 2 inches, with one at 1.5" or less.
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I'm 1/4" off the centerline at 200 yards, I'm not touching the horizontal, that only puts me off 1/2" at 300 yards. I did raise the vertical though, I need to be 2" high at that distance = 220 yd zero, which is what I want.
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Give Redneck a break , he did not say he does this everytime , he was just excited about shooting a darn good group and wanted to share it. Go out with a stock rifle with bipod and no rear rest and see how long it takes for you to shoot a group as good at 200 yards.
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A single 3 shot group doesn't prove anything.
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Jerkface, it has to prove something, because I did it! It show's what the rifle will do with a perfect load and perfect technique, which I certainly cannot duplicate 75% of the time.
LTR, you share my sentiments, thanks.
It show's what the rifle will do with a perfect load and perfect technique, which I certainly cannot duplicate 75% of the time.LTR, you share my sentiments, thanks.
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Instead of being supportive of a newer shooter having fun with his rifle and showing he is catching the hang of things people come on here and talk trash.. WHY? I would guess... warped, frustrated, insecure, unhappy people
Good shooting Redneck. Just keep having fun and try to get as many people as you can out to shoot with you.. We need more people setting a good example like you with their firearms..
Instead of being supportive of a newer shooter having fun with his rifle and showing he is catching the hang of things people come on here and talk trash.. WHY? I would guess... warped, frustrated, insecure, unhappy people
Good shooting Redneck. Just keep having fun and try to get as many people as you can out to shoot with you.. We need more people setting a good example like you with their firearms..
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Pat, I'm gonna keep shooting until I can get 5 groups to look like this one. I've certainly found the right load.
Jerkface, when you can shoot a group that looks like that at 200 yards, bipod and no rear support, you let me know.
I see jerkface only shot (2) 5 shot groups, probably at 100 yards, what's that prove?
I've certainly found the right load.Jerkface, when you can shoot a group that looks like that at 200 yards, bipod and no rear support, you let me know.
I see jerkface only shot (2) 5 shot groups, probably at 100 yards, what's that prove?
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Redneck, what your three shot group proves is that you actually put three rounds into a very small space at a substantial range.
Nicely done. You can do it. If somebody's gonna carp that "it ain't five shots," only listen if they post a target with five at the same distance in a smaller space.
Remember, it ain't braggin' if you can do it.
Nicely done. You can do it. If somebody's gonna carp that "it ain't five shots," only listen if they post a target with five at the same distance in a smaller space.
Remember, it ain't braggin' if you can do it.
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His sig says he is the best shot on THR for the summer of '08.
Nevermind the fact that he was the only participant.
Oh yeah, nice shooting Redneck.
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chuwee, yeah that is the caldwell bipod, I bought it from Midwayusa during the sale. I've only had it on the rifle for a couple weeks now, but so far, I really like it, plenty sturdy, holdin' up just fine. I think its a great deal for the money. I also like the notched legs for height adjustment.
I've only had it on the rifle for a couple weeks now, but so far, I really like it, plenty sturdy, holdin' up just fine. I think its a great deal for the money. I also like the notched legs for height adjustment.Redneck with a 40
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Alright guys, here's my target in its entirety. Dis-regard group #5, as that was shot by a friend of mine, who's never fired a rifle before. Group #1 is 2.3", group #2 is 3", group #3 is 2", and group #4 is .6". Total all these up and it comes to 7.9 inches, divided by 4 = 1.97 MOA at 200 yards, or .98 MOA at 100 yards. I'm barely sub-moa, I'll take it!
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