21 Sharp, new rimfire cartridge.

Krico had the Kricotronic which set an electrode against the rim of a regular .22 LR.

Voere made a caseless bolt action rifle with electric ignition. I think about .222 ballistics, although they also cataloged a 6mm. The one that showed up on TFB didn't get shot because its nonstandard batteries were flat.

Abercrombie and Fitch sold a French made shotgun, Fusil Electrique with electric primed shotshells.

There have been several guns with electric triggers, just powering a solenoid to pull the sear of a regular spring striker.
 
Bryan Litz posted a high-speed photo showing a 22LR bullet coming out of the barrel. The interesting part was the the heeled section was bore diameter proving that the lead expanded to fill the bore. I dont think lead-free alternatives can do the same.

In a way it makes sense rebarreling a .22 to .21 to shoot lead free ammo.
 
mcb said:
Imagine what you could do with a semi-auto pistol without the need for a trigger bar wrapping around a magazine. With no striker or hammer and mechanical disconnector you could recess slide mounted optics deeper into the back of the slide. A double action revolver with no hammer spring to fight. A bull pup rifle with a trigger on par if not better than traditional configurations. Dynamically variable rates of fire on combat rifles and light machineguns. Just to name a few.
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LOL, you're forgetting the makers Walther, Feinwerkebau, Hammerli, Mornini and others tried electronics in some sort of mechanism in match air rifles / air pistols in the late 70's on and. (just so you know millions of people around the world shoot match airguns) They all flopped and went back to mechanical set ups. It's one of the elements of a firearm / airgun that we connect with on mental side of shooting. (One with the gun) Comments often heard regarding such things were; no feel, feedback. An electronic trigger for a D/A revolver? What's the mechanism for indexing? I'd never trust it. and many other wouldn't, low sales based on this truth in firearms world alone makes this a foolhardy endeavor. Again, sales market size. 1 in 1k buyers probably thinks about the bullpup.. Even you see's this and certainly the mass majority of the firearms buying world; that wants to go to BIG BOX store and buy their firearms stuff and go blast for an hour and go home. (Those markets and buyers are not going to fork over 150 to 300 bucks more for an eletronic version with no history) I think YOU want electronic triggers. Most of the shooting world is very content on things the way they are. design and fabrication wise. And to be honest the way a lot of you shoot; You don't need high rates of fire. you can't control what you got already.
 
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JerkyFreak said:
Well, Daystate makes airrifles using electronic triggers. They are not allowed to be used in competition. Somehow I don't think is because they don't work well...
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They're also priced out of range of 95% of the shooting world wallet capability, want. Regulating authorities governing a lot of the competitions rightfully have concluded that it's taking too much (away) from the human element in competitive shooting: allowing electronic triggers.
 
I don't know what would happen, but I know of something else that should happen.

Every gun owner in America should drop what they're doing and make a call to Winchester to complain.

Tell them to stop F-ing around with new useless cartridges like this and focus on getting the calibers we already use out to us in greater volume and better prices.
 
If there were no external factors this cartridge will never take off. Now, unless California changes in the interim, lead bullets will be banned there. Probably sooner than later. This would make all the 22 rifles and pistols in that state obsolete. It seems that heeled lead-free 22LR bullets don't work so well.

This cartridge allows ammo manufacturers to make ammo without having to retool the case forming and priming equipment. Only change is the bullet and bullet seating equipment. This should keep the price per cartrige very close to .22LR. Then, when manufacturers are taxed for using lead, it might even be cheaper than lead bullets.

All the shooter need to do is change a barrel. Seems like a viable alternative.
 
I tell ya one thing I have yet to see a single positive thing said about this new cartridge on this or any other forum and they just now came out with it... It seems really bad decisions made by major companies have become quite fashionable these days. In every industry too. I see no reason to have something in between a long rifle and a magnum and from what I'm reading the LR can do everything this can do when you buy the right stuff.
 
JerkyFreak said:
If there were no external factors this cartridge will never take off. Now, unless California changes in the interim, lead bullets will be banned there. Probably sooner than later. This would make all the 22 rifles and pistols in that state obsolete. It seems that heeled lead-free 22LR bullets don't work so well.
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There are a good number of lead free 22lr options already, they just aren't super popular and like many other cartridges have been in somewhat short supply the last couple of years. If lead is off the table so manufacturers have enough demand, the bullet shape and loading technique should get worked out somewhat quickly. It just won't be inexpensive plinkers for volume shooting days.
 
They could of just loaded lighter , lead free bullets in the .22 winchester rimfire . Then you could either buy a new .22 WRF , or shoot it in a .22 magnum . I think that at least might be a little more appealing to shooters. And do away with the problem of inadvertently chambering an underpowered round .
 
johnjohn said:
This may become the "Bud Light" of the gun world.
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Steven_Seagull said:
Katelyn Jenner endorses this cartridge.
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I don't get either of these posts. What does a new rimfire cartridge have to do with LGBT... related issues? Seems unrelated and unneeded. If you don't like the new cartridge you can state that as vaguely or specifically as you like without the need to include that unrelated and unwanted reference in the discussion.
 
Hmm, ok, needing to fill the "lead free" niche has some logic to it.

What catches my attention, though, is that raises a question about all the ".22" carve-out legislations out there (and yeas, I am thinking of CA in particular). It's not cheap to submit pistols to the CA "safe pistol" register, and the State would still have to approve them. For longer arms, not being a "22" would seem to risk falling afoul of the banned feature list under the AWB.

Will be hard to market new ammo that can only be shot in single-shot firearms.
 
mcb said:
I don't get either of these posts.
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They are called jokes and people make them in the spirit of having fun and enjoying themselves while talking about a serious issue.

If this provides a lead-free alternative for guys to plink with, hey I'm all ears.
Plus going between .22 and this is key/makes it worth doing even if you don't need to use lead free.
 
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