21 yr old on a budget needs a gun

[Panzercat]

@ harmon rabb

I'll be taking a jaunt up to prescott in the near future. JG a good place?

 

[Shadow 7D]

JGsales.com
check it out, one of the largest dealers of C&R stuff, I would love to have been able to visit their shop when I was in AZ 2 years ago, so if you have the chance, either make sure you have room, or leave your wallet at home.

 

[harmon rabb]

@ harmon rabb

I'll be taking a jaunt up to prescott in the near future. JG a good place?

I live in florida but i've ordered plenty of guns from them. They have great prices and a large inventory. Very worth the trip if you live in Az.

 

[toivo]

I'm joining the CZ-82 chorus. I bought mine from J&G, and I'm very satisfied. They're right in your hometown, so go check it out:

CZ-82 at J&G

I would choose the 82 over the Tokarev for several reasons. First of all, it is a modern design that can be safely carried in Condition One or Condition Two. Second, it is smaller and more concealable than the Tok. It's also more accurate, due to the polygonal rifling. Finally, the 7.62x25 milsurp ammo for the Tokarev is dirt cheap, about 7¢ a round, but it's all corrosive, so you have to be really on top of your cleaning game. Non-corrosive commercial 7.62x25 is available, but it's pretty expensive, like around 35¢ a round. On the other hand, you can get non-corrosive commercial steel-cased 9x18 for your CZ for less than 20¢ per round.

It's NOT a budget gun -- it's a $500 gun that costs $150 for some reason.

Several reasons, I'd say. First, the Czechs have a tradition of making good firearms. Then there's the fact that, as is the case with most of the other combloc milsurp stuff, there's a definite price advantage when goods that were produced in a communist economy are sold in a capitalist one. Your cheap CZ pistol was subsidized by the communist rulers of the former Czechoslovakia. Say thank you!

 

[Filipinashooter]

Arms Corporation of the Philippines(No relation to the government, private company) revolver is JUNK. My friend had his for 3 years. One time, he fired 33 rounds or so. After pulling the trigger for the 34th shot, the cylinder of his revolver won't turn. It got stuck! Armscor ordinance steel expanded. Low Quality. After an hour when his gun cooled off, it functioned again. Then he immediately sold off.

Cheap life? Get a cheap gun. Cheap guns means cheap quality and this can get you killed. It's an investment, your life depends on it. Go for S&W, Colt, Charter Arms, Rossi, or even Taurus.

Armscor revolver is not worth your penny. No one buys it here in the Philippines except for Security companies who doesn't use it. We buy American revolvers for personal protection. It's Tried and tested.

 

[harmon rabb]

Cheap life? Get a cheap gun. Cheap guns means cheap quality and this can get you killed.

Only if you live somewhere where you can not buy cheap commie surplus guns. If you live in the US (and don't live in an "anti" state), you can buy cheap commie surplus guns. Take your pick -- cz-82, p-64, p-83, pa-63. All are reliable and under $200. There are a few more to add if you're willing to step down from 9x18 to 32acp (although I don't know why one would do this).

Hell, on the ultra cheap end, you can buy a nagant revolver for under $100, and it'll go bang reliably forever. God awful trigger, marginal caliber, and uglier than sin... but if $100 is all you got, at least you can buy a reliable weapon.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

Unless you have some kind of actual threat against your life right now, I would simply save my money.

I've been saving nearly nine months for my second 1911 (First one was a beater Sistema that has unfortunately been long traded away), and I tell you, saving and agonizing over what to get is half the fun.

 

[toivo]

If you live in the US (and don't live in an "anti" state), you can buy cheap commie surplus guns.

I'm in NY State, which by most standards is an "anti" state, and I have a bunch of cheap commie surplus guns. The only kicker here is that all handguns have to go through a Type 1 FFL. C&R is only good for long guns here in "The Empire State."

 

[harmon rabb]

I'm in NY State, which by most standards is an "anti" state, and I have a bunch of cheap commie surplus guns. The only kicker here is that all handguns have to go through a Type 1 FFL. C&R is only good for long guns here in "The Empire State

most of the cheap surplus pistols are not c&r eligible anyway (only the cz-82 and p-64 are). c&r is mostly useful for collecting military bolt actions, so you're not missing out on too much by not being able to use it for pistols.

er, p1's and p38's are c&r eligible, but i wouldn't call them cheap.

 

[Filipinashooter]

Sir HArmon Rabb, Toivo, & Jeff56, My apologies and I stand corrected. I'm sorry for using a politically incorrect word, "Cheap." I should have used the word, "INFERIOR as in ARMSCOR. They're synonymous. Since I used the wrong word, the idea I conveyed was also wrong. I'm sorry guys.

I know that Norincos are cheap guns but VERY RELIABLE and STURDY since we owned a couple and it's even cheaper than Armscor/RIA produced here. Worth your every centavos.

I also forgot that in your country Czech guns and Russian guns are abundant. I had colleagues who brought home some during a peace mission. They're workhorses. Here, these commie guns are worth a fortune even if their vintage, that is if you can find one. So, it isn't cheap here, but very expensive.

 

[pikid89]

how about at police trade in glock
G22 2nd Gen for 299
https://www.ombexpress.com/p-6779-used-glock-22-2nd-gen-with-1-15rnd-mag.aspx

 

[harmon rabb]

Sir HArmon Rabb, Toivo, & Jeff56, My apologies and I stand corrected. I'm sorry for using a politically incorrect word, "Cheap." I should have used the word, "INFERIOR as in ARMSCOR. They're synonymous. Since I used the wrong word, the idea I conveyed was also wrong. I'm sorry guys.

I know that Norincos are cheap guns but VERY RELIABLE and STURDY since we owned a couple and it's even cheaper than Armscor/RIA produced here. Worth your every centavos.

I also forgot that in your country Czech guns and Russian guns are abundant. I had colleagues who brought home some during a peace mission. They're workhorses. Here, these commie guns are worth a fortune even if their vintage, that is if you can find one. So, it isn't cheap here, but very expensive.

Actually, RUSSIAN guns are not abundant in the US due to political reasons. The surplus sellers are bursting at the seams with guns from former Soviet satellite nations, however.

What's with the hate on Armscor though? They make very serviceable 1911's that are well known and wildely owned in this country.

 

[MICHAEL T]

My first home SD pistol when I was young, married, and no money was a little Star 22 pistol. I shot it a lot It was reliable and 22 ammo was really cheap. If 200 all you have then you will never enjoy a 45. Because you can't afford the ammo. If you think you can afford the ammo. Then save that amount of money be spending on ammo. Till you have enough to buy a RIA 1911.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Is the OP even still on the forum?

 

[mdThanatos]

I am interested to find out Filipinashooter's opinion of the Armscor 1911's as well given the comments on their revolvers.

 

[Filipinashooter]

I am interested to find out Filipinashooter's opinion of the Armscor 1911's as well given the comments on their revolvers.

Sir mdthanatos and Harmon RAbb,

I'm from where the Armscor came from. We went to another Military camp with a friend a few years back. I had my Armscor 1911A1, my friend had his Colt 1911A1 US Army(US ARMY ANAD), Another Had and Ithaca(US ARMY WW2), Another had a Remington Rand(US ARMY WW2 ANAD), And the last in the group had a Commie Norinco 1911A1. All G.I.s except mine and the Norinco.

After the mini-shoot fest, they decided to interchange parts to see if indeed parts will fit. I joined in, All fitted like a glove to each others gun, Milspec: Remington Rand, Colt 1911A1, and Norinco. Surprisingly, only the Armscor 1911A1 parts did not. My friend's gun fired even without activating the grip safety plus my Armscor's barrel didn't fit well with the Colt Slide.

As per experience, Norinco is better. It had armed some of my colleagues who personally bought one and saved their lives with it when their ELISCO M16 Jammed. Cheap but a true 1911A1 copy and it means serviceable when you go to your camp's armorer for Milspec parts.

Well, If banned, you can get the Brazilian made 1911A1. they are definitely better than the investment cast Armscor/ROCK ISLAND ARMORY guns.

Just my humble opinion. If Armscor/Rock Island Armory worked, then good for you. You got your centavos worth. Choice would be depending on the individual shooter's needs. I didn't opted in using this gun since I know the manufacturing history(like a Texan engineer who setup the 1911 part of the plant and was then later booted out when the plant was running) and we get infos from people who worked for them (like on lemons being deliberately sold).

And, since it's not the tool of your trade(and that your not dependent on available parts in the field when it breaks). I think it's OK to get an Armscor/RIA 1911.

 

[harmon rabb]

Yeah, unfortunately, we can not get new norinco stuff in the US. Political reasons, just like the Russian stuff. Well, we can get new Russian hunting rifles and shotguns, no pistols.