21 yr old on a budget needs a gun

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Like I said JHex, make sure you clean the heck out of it after shooting. Hot soapy water works great. the point is to rinse away the corrosive salts in the primers. That primer residue gets all over everything when you are shooting. Using HOT water the parts will air dry pretty quickly then you can reassemble and lubricate where needed.

It's an extra step, but it will make your pistol last a LONG time.
 
I have seen used Ruger P-95's locally for around $240 - $260. If you can add just a little more, you can have a pretty decent gun with widely available ammo.
If you just flat out can't afford that, I agree on the CZ-82 option. Still, centerfire ammo is not as cheap as rimfire ammo. If $200 is your budget, I'd bet your ammo budget is also not so great. Maybe a .22 is an OK choice for now. I still really wish I'd layed hands on a good .22 semi-auto when I had money to buy things. You could do far worse.
 
The Tok's are pretty good guns but, like Dr. Rob said, any ammo that cheap for the pistol will be surplus corrosive stuff so being on top of cleaning and maintenance will be a priority to keep it functioning. I had a Norinco 213 (pretty much the same as a Tok but with a mag well spacer and a different barrel) I oftentimes wish I hadn't parted with. Paid less than $100 out the door about a decade ago and boy was it fun to shoot. Extremely accurate and fed steel-cased Wolf like a dream. I still know the guy who has it so maybe I can get it back some day if he chooses to part ways with it. The 7.62Tok round is a lot of fun to shoot and cheap to top it off. Good luck with the pistol, I doubt you'll be disappointed.
 
Well, in a way, the Tok is an excellent alternative to a .45, as it is the soviets ode to John Moses Browning,

just with out the snobbery, built to last, by Olga.
 
Didn't some of the TOK's Lugers come w/o a safety. My Norinco has one but I was discussing this topic with a friend who used to own a gun shop. I don't think they were meant to shoot +P HP ammo but you can accasionally. Mine sure likes Wolf, Brown Bear, Sellier/Belliot ball ammo.
Does anyone know about the Norinco TOK being able to handle +P HP Luger ammo?
JT
 
um, you mean 9mm's
Lugers are type of gun, not a round


There were two the type 54 and then the import version, but the imported firearms have to possess a safety, US law, so even though they didn't have a safety originally, all do now, some have a sear block like the yugo M57, to the rommy trigger switch...
 
Nailed it i"m not bashing i"m saving his life! I owned one it was garbage never even got past 100 rounds before it was gone
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Whoa, I am a huge hi-point fan and I own two of them. I was simply saying you need to know how to shoot with proper form. If you limp wrist, it will FTE on you.

I am glad others recommended the L213 by Norinco. They are great guns.
 
eh, my buddy had a ruger 9mm, and i really dislike the extensive trigger pull - not a big fan of double action ever since i broke my trigger finger wrestling
 
and to Dr Rob, one of my favorite parts of owning a handgun is stripping and cleaning it - im a tinkerer, and if im bored ill take apart the tv remote just for the heck of it. also, i believe that anything worth owning is worth taking care of, and you get what you put into something - therefore, if i want my gun to perform reliably every time i squeeze the trigger, i need to put the time and effort into making sure it does so

btw, what would be the best brand of mineral spirits and oil?
 
Thank you all for posting, this is why i joined this forum! Collectively, you have successfully talked me out of high point, which would have been an impulse buy id always regret. Soi think ima go with the tok, i can get one in like new condition for 200, and 1260 rounds for 100. Thanks again!
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First off, if you live in Prescott, just head down to JG sales to buy the gun. Don't even bother with anyone else.

Anyway, why do you want the gun? If you want to use it for home defense and/or carry, the Tok is not your best choice man. There's no safe way to keep it with a round in the chamber, and there really aren't any good hollow point loads (and the milsurp fmj loads penetrate far too much to be used for self defense).

If you just want to plink on the range, then the Tok is just fine.
 
The CZ82 meets all the requirements for the OP. IMHO it is miles ahead of a Hi Point.
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This. To put any of the 9x18 guns in the same category as a hi-point is laughable. Especially when you live by JG and can simply drive down the street and pick one out, zero reason to ever consider a hi-point.
 
You have $200 and want a 1911... I recommend getting a Spanish Star B or BM. I had a BKS and loved it. Sold it like a fool. Shoots 9mm accurately and reliably, except for certain JHP that are too fat at the nose to feed well. Cost about $200. Functions like a 1911.
 
FWIW, Sellier and Bellot does make 7.62x25 JHP. It would have to be one really tough, poorly constructed HP to not expand or fragment at the velocities it will be traveling at.
Corrosive ammo shouldn't scare you and it's cheap.
Can't carry safely chambered, but pulling out the Tok and chambering a round is still a lot faster than calling a cop and hoping they show up before you get your throat slit.
I'd say if you like it, get one!
I still think I'd prefer the CZ-82 in that price range or a SIG P6 if you can spend a little more - I had a P-225 at one point and it was a great gun!
But it's your money and you gotta get what you like.
 
Anyone on budget does not need a 45 acp IMHO. If your gun budget is $200. Get yourself something that will be cheaper to shoot. 500 rounds of 45 ACP will cost you $175.
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I would get a .22 to start. You can shoot thousands of rounds
without breaking the bank and be getting more range time. Thats
the reason I purchased a S&W 22a "Its saved me a lot of money" :D

Use the .22 and in the mean time save up for the 1911 you really
are wanting to get. :)
 
I think Hi-Point is the best you'll do if you have to stick to your guns. I've been running the same search and you probably won't get any cheaper. For my purposes, i'm probably scaling back to a 9mm. .45s are sexy, but a nine will do the job too. Plus, I probably DO want to spend the money for a good .45

Hi-point quality can be hit or miss (the miss aspect generally being limited to picky feed issues), but they have a damn lifetime no questions asked warranty with reportedly excellent customer service. You can complain or you can use it. People like to complain.
 
JHex
Thank you all for posting, this is why i joined this forum! Collectively, you have successfully talked me out of high point, which would have been an impulse buy id always regret. Soi think ima go with the tok, i can get one in like new condition for 200, and 1260 rounds for 100. Thanks again!
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Like harmon_rabb said, the Tokarev doesn't have a hammer/striker/firing pin block. It only has a trigger block. Not too safe carrying with one in the chamber. BTW, this is the same problem with the Hi Points. No hammer/striker/firing pin blocksafety - the spring is fully compressed when there's one in the chamber and the only thing keeping it from going off is the trigger block. If you do get the Tok, don't carry with one in the chamber.

As for ammo - there are commercial manufacturers of 7.62x25 BUT it is about twice as expensive as 9x19. I still say the CZ-82 is still your best bet.
 
Onward, good points. I hate the "after thought" safety that is on the Norinco L213 too... it just makes me nervous.
 
You know after reading up and looking at that Yugo Tok I kind of want one.. best thought out safety so far. Next time I'm in AZ I'll have to check out JG in person.
 
No, Rob, the best safeties are the Norinco and TokEgypts, where the gun was designed from the start with a safety.

But of the 'import' safeties, it is the best, eats out of CZ52 mags (slightly modified) and has a longer grip that helps us poor big handed westerners deal with the funky grip angle.
 
Theres the Armscor 38 revolvers. They run about 200.00 or a little more. Dont know much about them but see a lot of new ones for sale. Check the net for complaints first. For a little more money J&G sales has used 38 S&W police trade ins. That might be your best bet. The CZ82 and Makarov are also good guns.
 
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I am 21 years old, been shooting since I was 16. I love 45s, prefer 1911, but i am on a tight budget (200 max). I want a personal carry weapon for both self-defense and weekend shooting. Like i said, id prefer a 1911, but I want a solid, reliable gun in my price range. Ive been reading up on High-Point .45s, and it seems like a good fit - I dont want bragging rights, just something that gets the job done for the right price...
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You've got a well-known affliction: you have the itch, but not the scratch. To complicate your particular case, you're fixated on one of the most expensive pistol types out there.

The High Point might work, but even though it's an inexpensive gun, it has an expensive, and apparently finicky, appetite. You need to put lots of rounds downrange with any gun you intend to carry as a defensive weapon.

Best to scout for a .22 or save up so you can have your gun and shoot it, too.
 
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