.22 for home defense questions

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I am a huge fan of Used Police Trade in guns.
Especially Medium Frame Revolvers such as a dedicated .38spl like a Model 10 (blue) or Model 64 ( stainless).

Especially for home/indoor use.
The .38spl special, is a low pressure round, this not only "helps" with hearing protection also assists in Listening to BGs in the structure and Communication with others in the structure.

Yes I know what the wife said and I respect her wishes.

Then again as a responsible firearm owner, and southern gentleman, there is a proper way to respectfully disagree with a lady.
One does this being civil, polite, while being firm and assertive.

Both of you need to find a trusted, seasoned shooter, such as a LEO and sincerely ask, to be shown, and try some guns.

Oh I know I about ladies should speak with other ladies, hell, I was suggesting this before some around here were a itch in their daddy's britches or even knew what a firearm was or had shot one.

Truth is, this is a "couple" situation, these two are a "team", and therefore team tactics apply.

Too many folks around THR, have home guns set up for the smallest person in the home.
"Small" is not derogatory, Instead in the context of "fit" to shooter.
Oh I am big on gun fit, the reality is a bigger person can effectively use a smaller gun, where a smaller cannot effectively use a bigger gun.

This small person might be the husband in a wheelchair, or petite wife, teenage kids.

141/2" LOP ( length of pull) ain't gonna work, and I don't care if the guy is 200# in a wheel chair.
Nor will it work for someone that needs a 12 1/2 - 13" LOP , like a teenager.

Don't ask me what I think of AR stocks that adjust, or ones with pistol grips, unless you play by big boy , big girl rules as my take is pretty "coarse, terse, and direct".

This .38spl revolver, is NOT to be a snubby. Hell No.
A 3" is THE best combat revolver handgun bbl length there is, period!
4" will be fine, be great to learn on, fine for home use, range use, even small game hunting ( rabbits for example).

Handgun in a home.
Yes I have my take on rifles and shotguns, and the fact is I can debate one and be better at their choice than they are, I have done it too many times.

This is a young couple on a budget, concerned about "Home".

Anyone remember what those Model 64 3" HB RB guns on Internet were going for lately?
This is a perfect gun for this couple.

-Safe MOA (manual of arms)
-Price point
-Not dependent on mags and ammunition to run
(saves money on not having to have mags right off the bat)
-Stocks are easy to get to tweak gun fit.

-No slide to hang up or get caught on bedding, sofa, chair, wall, door frame, carpet on the floor.

In a structure, one answers the door, or if evil comes in, and matters get serious, that revolver, with a 3" bbl, is difficult to grab and take away.
They (evil) might be over the bed, and from bad breath distance, matters go rodeo.

At the door, that gun is concealed, either by him or her.
Evil forces there way in, that revolver is point and shoot.

Get surprised and take that bottle of water and hit the forehead of evil , and shoot from retention ( gun close to body).

-If one learns to shoot a revolver double action only ( DAO) they will become a better shooter period.
Correct basics ingrained will transition to other guns, and in this case, that Ruger .22 will be shot better.

In the home, using rules of safety, one can dryfire that .38spl revolver.
Put a dime on the front sight/ atop barrel and pull the trigger, all 6 times and the idea being to not have the dime fall off.

Trigger control, smooth, and easy.
Do this same drill with the sights really being acquired, and now trigger and sight acquisition is being instilled.
Speed comes from repetition of these two simple drills.

I assure you this dry fire practice will reap huge benefits at the range with live fire.
It will even reveal itself in shooting that Ruger, as the trigger use and sight use will transition.

Just part of my reason for suggesting this couple, find a seasoned shooter, one that knows revolvers, to let them shoot a Medium Frame revolver.

I like Colt Detective Specials, they carry like a J frame and feel like a K frame, being respectful, these cost more money, do require gunsmith that really knows Colts and stock options to tweak fit are less in offerings.

Ideally, a retired LEO, like a Sheriff Deputy that carried and shot revolvers, and had to quality at 50 yards, not feet, yards is the one this couple needs to meet up with , and get a relationship established with.

Private lessons - are proven, so are couples just like this one, doing as I have shared.

These seasoned folks, are really neat folks, and what they can pass forward is worth a lot, and not just in shooting.
How to stay safe - period!

They can assist in checking out a gun, getting the house more secure, lessons, practiced plans and so much more.

Just me, we need to clone more of these Old Timers (said with respect) as we really more of them to assist folks, and pass forward yesteryear to folks.

A handgun allows one to have a gun on person or "right there" concealed.
One has to enter, exit a structure and answer the door.

It might just be carrying in groceries, working in the yard, working on a lawnmower, cleaning the garage or carport...etc.

One cannot sling a long gun and mow the yard, or work in the yard, or while carrying in groceries or...

My take...
 
what about a compact 357 lever action? load it with some expanding 38's.

A LOT less recoil than a shotgun, higher capacity than a shotgun, and quicker follow up shots.

Personally, i would think that a Semi-auto .22 rifle would be just fine as long as you loaded it with some velocitor or interceptor rounds

i honestly cant see anyone taking a clip full of velocitors to the gut and keep coming. if they are so drugged up that they cant feel it, then caliber wont make a difference at all; you would have to destroy the brain. a Velocitor from a rifle should do that just fine at HD ranges.
 
Just picking nits....

what about a compact 357 lever action? load it with some expanding 38's.

A LOT less recoil than a shotgun, higher capacity than a shotgun, and quicker follow up shots.

Higher capacity than some shotguns, and probably as quick at follow up shots.

That .870, with the 8 rd mag shucks pdq, and then again there's that distinctive tune it plays. Bang,shuck,bang,shuck,bang,shuck,bang,shuck, repeat.:D
 
My reply adds to SM's, and others, with one addition. Learn to speed reload your handgun! Combat reload, whatever you want to call it.

If your first 10 rounds don't do it, give'em another ten. You may miss the first 10 times. Who knows!?

Other than that, your Mark II can join my 22/45 on the range any day! Ours is backup to its bigger brothers, but it's still loaded for bear.
 
"Honestly, I'd probably shoot all ten as fast as possible, starting COM and walking them up."

' Could not have said it better myself. :D Preferably with CCI Velocitors.

Chest, neck, face in rapid succession. Odds are, at least one of 'em is going to make it to CNS - or BG is going to become quickly disinterested in whatever was his original intent.
 
You know they say to aim at the center of mass(COM) but with a .22lr I think i'd be shooting for the head whenever the bad guy was standing still or close enough for a sure shot.

It seems like the head/throat area would be your best bet if the .22lr is all you've got. Then again, if your not very good with a handgun, perhaps you'd be best trying for COM shots.
 
Higher capacity than some shotguns, and probably as quick at follow up shots.

That .870, with the 8 rd mag shucks pdq, and then again there's that distinctive tune it plays. Bang,shuck,bang,shuck,bang,shuck,bang,shuck, repeat.

The only shotguns that have higher capacity are twice as long and weight twice as much, and kick 10 times as hard.
 
Welcome! Good advice all around here, and maybe give this article a read. By using a very fast round (CCI Stinger, Yellow Jacket) you're making over 100 ft/lbs of energy out of a 6" barrel. That's plenty to ruin someone's day. Marshall and Sanow said that the 22lr gives a 33% chance for a one shot stop... so put those odds in your favor with lots of good hits. Fortunately your practice ammo is cheap, take advantage of that. :)
 
I don't favor a .22 simply because rimfire ammo seems to have declined in quality over the years . . . think about it: they're still hitting almost the same price-point in 2008 as they were in 1978 . . . how can they do that without cheapening something? Duds are a problem.

Still, a .22 is better than empty hands . . . I would practice doing a modified "Mozambique drill" as fast as possible; traditionally, it's two shots COM, one to the head . . . but with a .22, I'd do two shots COM, and put the rest in the head.

Your wife can do head shots at 25 yards . . . she ought to be able to accomplish the same, even under stress, at 1/5 that distance. The important thing is to keep shooting until the threat is neutralized - don't fire a round or two and then stand around waiting for the bad guy to fall.
 
We own a .22 Mark III. We will eventually buy other guns, but I'm not very good with a handgun and until I improve my shooting skills she won't let me spend the money on something else. She is excellent with a handgun as she has been shooting since she was about 9 years old.

If she's so good, why don't you buy her a 1911 and let her defend the house.

You could back her up with the .22.
 
Did somebody say this quote once?:
Any gun is a good gun?

It all depends on your skill rather than the performance of the firearm.

The most anemic .22 that is out there, the .22 Short or the CB cap, still packs a muzzle energy of 17-20 foot pounds of energy. What does that mean? That means a mass of energy the weight of a sack of rice being focused on a certain part of the body.

While that may not mean terminal ballistics, that could still be injurious to the assailant. If you get that in their eyes, that will ruin their lives, at the very least. Neck shots are just as devastating.

It is all about shot placement rather than how the shot is meant to perform. You might use Extreme Shock Ammo on an assailant, and it will not incapicitate him/her, but a simple .22 Short might f*ck up their whole lives forever.
 
.22 is the best for HD. You will only go partial deaf if you have to use it.
 
And now for something completely different:


I know you didn't ask about a dog, but you might want to consider one if you're not already so equipped. Any one, or two, except for those awful little wannabe cat abominations. Bleh!

Anyway, you've mentioned intimidation factor, which I think is wise, because shooting is the very last resort, so you might also want to consider a shiny weapon. Tends to focus their attention on your intentions. Tactically black finished are all cool and stuff, but kinda limit your options there.

Might want to get one of those 4-5 D cell Mag-Lite clubs at Wally's, too, so you can make a few bumps of your own in the night. With your flashlight. More options.


We now return you to your regularly scheduled good advice.
 
So much to respond to.

We have a 95lb lab that is sweet as anything, unless you come into her territory without mommy or daddy being with you. If we aren't, I don't apologize.

I know a bigger gun is better for HD, I'll be buying a .357 shortly, my wife just wanted to make sure I knew how to shoot first.

I appreciate all the advice, especially those of you who actually answered my question. If the worst were to happen I would start with COM and then walk up. I can knock out 20 rounds with a reload pretty quick if the need be.
 
I met a lady who fought off an intruder in her home w/ a Ruger MkII -- 4 shots to the chest and leg. She ended up buying a second and thrid firearm for her home stating "next time I shoot an intruder, I'm calling the coroner"
My point, the 22lr may be better than nothing, but so many things have to go right in order for it to be effective that I would want to try to tilt the odds more on my side
 
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