.22 rifle w/ velocitators vs small cal handgun ballistics

[gym]

I'm saying that a 9mm a 380, a 38 and a 357 are all around the same diameter, if you stand them up next to each other in a court room there is no way that the 9mm is going to look overpowering. and I have never in 40 years of carrying heard anyone prefer a 22 to a 9mm powerbal, traveling at 1375fps, I just said it in a way you didn't get it. Do really think a court is going to think that a 9mm, the most carried pistol round in the world was overkill. And if you would rather get shot with a 9mm powerball,"cor-bon" than a 22 u ain'r too smart, the powerball will take you down and penetrate 12to14 inches while doubbling in size. That's why people don't carry ruger 22's for carry even with long barrels. The rest was a play on words, a 380 is a 9mm kurtz , "short in german"a 38 fires out of the same chamber as a 357, for all arguments sake they are "almost" all the same diameter with more or less powder. My powerball travelling at that rate of speed will trump your 22 round every time, and if you are going to tell me somefthing about firing from long distance, that's called murder. Once you get out of "threat " zone and the threat stops at less than 50 feet in court. You are on thin ice, and carrying a rifle even if it is a 22, a 223 is a 22 also, so are a dozen others 220 swift 245 270 etc. that's what your 22 rifle will be compared to, not the standard for ccw, the 9MM is. Using a rifle agains a pistol will lose in a court of law every time, unless you are a litle old lady and you got lucky when the bad man came in the door, and it's still tenuous. How is mr Smith, you got to have a sense of humor, Mr Wesson. A good lawyer will show that a 22 is the same diameter our troops use in combat,where a 9mm is a dtandard for most ccw handguns, see you when you get out. Your probablly a nice guy, loosen up.

 

[MrWesson]

I'm saying that a 9mm a 380, a 38 and a 357 are all around the same diameter, if you stand them up next to each other in a court room there is no way that the 9mm is going to look overpowering. and I have never in 40 years of carrying heard anyone prefer a 22 to a 9mm powerbal, traveling at 1375fps, I just said it in a way you didn't get it. Do really think a court is going to think that a 9mm, the most carried pistol round in the world was overkill. And if you would rather get shot with a 9mm powerball,"cor-bon" than a 22 u ain'r too smart, the powerball will take you down and penetrate 12to14 inches while doubbling in size. That's why people don't carry ruger 22's for carry even with long barrels. The rest was a play on words, a 380 is a 9mm kurtz , "short in german"a 38 fires out of the same chamber as a 357, for all arguments sake they are "almost" all the same diameter with more or less powder. My powerball travelling at that rate of speed will trump your 22 round every time, and if you are going to tell me somefthing about firing from long distance, that's called murder. Once you get out of "threat " zone and the threat stops at less than 50 feet in court. You are on thin ice, and carrying a rifle even if it is a 22, a 223 is a 22 also, so are a dozen others 220 swift 245 270 etc. that's what your 22 rifle will be compared to, not the standard for ccw, the 9MM is. Using a rifle agains a pistol will lose in a court of law every time, unless you are a litle old lady and you got lucky when the bad man came in the door, and it's still tenuous. How is mr Smith, you got to have a sense of humor, Mr Wesson. A good lawyer will show that a 22 is the same diameter our troops use in combat,where a 9mm is a dtandard for most ccw handguns, see you when you get out. Your probablly a nice guy, loosen up.

I honestly have trouble reading your posts because its quite a bit of info without much spacing . So if anything below doesn't make sense then sorry..

No one mentioned carrying a rifle its a HD situation.

No one compared .22 to a 9mm para/luger/nato.

I don't use a .22 for HD or in any other instance other than shooting paper. This thread was an observation I made reading through forums where people bash a .22 rifle to no end for HD but no one seems to criticize .32acp and .380 for defense(usually CCW but still defense).

I happen to live in a place where a good shoot is a good shoot and you wont find anyone here defending themselves over petty differences like using a rifle against a pistol/.22 vs whatever. I can shoot a home invader with a .308,30-06,10mm,.223 whatever and I would not worry for a second about it being used against me.

 

[gym]

Part of that was meant for the original poster who actually was comparing the rifle to the pistols. i should have clarified that, even though he said he wans't , that was the comparison, the 22 rifle vs the 32/380, in a hd situation., I type fast can't help it, too many things at once sometimes. He did ask what our thoughts were on one vs the others.

 

[MrWesson]

I am the OP

I only compared it to .32 and .380 although I typed small cal handgun ballistics the title it should just say .380,.32 and .25 as you can even find .45 in small handguns.

So far what I have gathered is that the hole created .35in vs .40-.47in in the .380 and .32 is the main difference. They all have equal or pretty close to the same energy delivered in ft lbs.

.22 creates a smaller deeper hole and the .32 and .380 create a larger shallower hole. I know there is a way other than ft lb to measure this effect but I don't know what it is called.

They both penetrate about the same(.22 more) and create pretty equal ft lb.

To everyone else we all know better options exist and everyones take on it but lets compare these if you dont mind .

Like I said I don't intend to use a .22 rifle for HD personally so advice otherwise is really getting tossed in the air here.

 

[gym]

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