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James K2020
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I have a stack of CCI CB Shorts which is the primary reason I asked. And yes, they are more expensive.
.22 Shorts in a Single Six?
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Carl N. Brown
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I have fired .22 Shorts both Winchester .22 Short High Velocity and CCI .22 CB Short in my Heritage Rough Rider single action revolver with no problems.
I tend to wipe the cylinder and barrel after every shooting session, so I have never had a build up of powder deposits, lead and lube that can occur if you shoot a lot of .22 Short in a Long Rifle chamber.
I suspect tales of erosion rings are carry-overs from the days when .22 rimfires had corrosive primers.
I prefer to reserve my stash of .22 Short high velocity for the off chance of encountering a .22 Short only Browning TD or Remington Nylon 66 Gallery Rifle. .22 Short used to be an economy round as an alternative to the .22 Long and Long Rifle. Today .22 Short is almost a specialty round and more expensive in most brands (and hard to find on dealer shelves due to less demand).
I tend to wipe the cylinder and barrel after every shooting session, so I have never had a build up of powder deposits, lead and lube that can occur if you shoot a lot of .22 Short in a Long Rifle chamber.
I suspect tales of erosion rings are carry-overs from the days when .22 rimfires had corrosive primers.
I prefer to reserve my stash of .22 Short high velocity for the off chance of encountering a .22 Short only Browning TD or Remington Nylon 66 Gallery Rifle. .22 Short used to be an economy round as an alternative to the .22 Long and Long Rifle. Today .22 Short is almost a specialty round and more expensive in most brands (and hard to find on dealer shelves due to less demand).
Those are even less powerful than standard 22 shorts. Ridiculously quiet from a rifle barrel I shoot them from an old 1890 Winchester gallery pump and they're basically as quiet as standard velocity long rifles are suppressed.
Out of a handgun they have a little pop to them but aren't unpleasant sans earpro.
The CB longs are the same load in a longer case and the quiets are a 40gr at the same velocity. All three are very close in report the biggest downfall is accuracy past 15 yards isn't near what CCI standard velocity does in my guns.
22250Rem
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....... very interesting, thanks for posting. Checked my Single Six Convertible which was produced in 1980 and that's the way mine is. Have put a fair number of 22 shorts through it with the 22LR cylinder installed. Never did any formal accuracy testing with shorts in it, just casual plinking and they seemed to do pretty good.
Driftwood Johnson
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Because of the feeding system, the Winchester Model 1890 pump action 'gallery rifles' could only chamber 22 Short, or 22 Long, or 22 Long Rifle. None of them could chamber any other cartridge than what they were marked for.
This model was considered to be a 'boy's rifle', and the most common chambering was 22 Short, followed by 22 W.R.F., followed by 22 Long. 1890 Winchesters chambered for 22 Long Rifle were the least common.
This Winchester Model 1890 is chambered for 22 Shorts.
This one is chambered for 22 Longs.
This one is chambered for 22 Long Rifle.
The Winchester Model 1906, was a less expensive pump gun of similar design as the Model 1890, but the feeding system was changed so it could feed 22 Short, 22 Long, or 22 Long Rifle interchangeably. This is my Dad's Winchester Model '06.
The little Model '06 at the bottom of this photo compared to a Model 1890 at the top of the photo.
When my Dad was young he told his Dad he would like a 22 target rifle. They lived in Mount Vernon NY, just north of NYC. My grandfather commuted into NYC every day, and one day he went into the Abercrombie and Fitch store on Madison Avenue. In those days Abercrombie and Fitch was a high end sporting goods store with an entire floor devoted to guns, and a target range in the basement. Pop came home with this little Model '06 and gave it to my Dad. Here is a photo of my Dad shooting the little rifle on the shore of Lake Katahdin in Maine in 1931. My Dad would have been 15 when this photo was taken. You can see how tiny the rifle is. My Grandfather did not know much about guns, so when he brought home the little Model '06, my Dad never had the heart to tell him that it was not what he wanted. When I was about 15 or so I found the little Model '06 in a big box in our basement. I went upstairs with it and asked my Dad what it was. He said, "Well, I guess that's yours now". And yes, I used to feed it 22 Shorts because they were the cheapest 22 Rimfire ammo available when I was a kid. I still have the little Model '06 and will never sell it.
Driftwood Johnson
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I have three Single Sixes.
They are all the old Three Screw models from before Transfer Bars. They were made, left to right, in 1963, 1961, and 1968.
This one of them came with the box, a 22WMR cylinder, and some ammo. I don't think I have ever fired it with the magnum ammo.
They are all the old Three Screw models from before Transfer Bars. They were made, left to right, in 1963, 1961, and 1968.
This one of them came with the box, a 22WMR cylinder, and some ammo. I don't think I have ever fired it with the magnum ammo.
deadeye dick
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I have a hardware store .22 i bought in1953 at the age of 15. for $35.00. I still have the trigger tag It's marked Springfield Savage 850. The barrel is marked .22LR, .22 long, .22 short. Only .22 LR for auto. Can't find anything about this gun but its a tack driver.
Riomouse911
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I cut my teeth on a .22 LR 1890 that looked exactly like yours. Those pictures bring back memories of wandering the oak bottom canyon past the ranch house prowling for fox squirrels in the trees.
Man, I miss those days. If I only could relive those times and be able to share them with my kids.
Stay safe.
Riomouse911
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My stable of rimfire Ruger SA revolvers aren’t as nice as Driftwood’s 1960’s era clan are, but they are still a hoot to shoot no matter where I am.
A 6.5” Single Six with the .22 WMR cylinder, a 6.5” .22 LR Bisley, a standard 4.2” Wrangler and a 3.5” Birdshead model.
Stay safe.
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James K2020
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I bought the CCI CB Shorts to see if they would work in my German Flobert single shot parlor pistol- the didn't. Too long. Darn gun only chambers the tiny Flobert 6mm. The only guy I can find that sells them in the US won't ship to CA. Arrrgh...
Steve Milbocker
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Speaking of point of aim, I had a fixed sight model such as yours and it shot Remington Thunder Bolts lights out. I know they aren’t shorts or the best ammunition but I thought I’d mention it. That’s a great revolver enjoy
Old Hobo
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Sure, it'll shoot shorts. If you want to get rid of some .22 shorts while plinking, that'll be fine. Make sure to clean the chambers of the weapon's cylinder very well after firing shorts.
In any .22 LR chambered firearm, when you fire shorts in them, one can sometimes get less-than-desirable accuracy due to the bullet having a longer jump to the rifling. Target .22 LR rifles and handguns have a chamber that places the bullet right up at the beginning of the rifling. In competition, one is not using high velocity ammo. One is using standard velocity high quality ammo for accuracy. In target chambers, .22 high velocity rounds can cause pressure issues.
If you actually want lower power .22 loads, several manufacturers make low velocity rounds. Some of those ammo types are spec.ed down to velocities all the way down into the mid 700 ft/sec. realm. Even slower are the CB cap .22 LR rounds. These CB rounds are accurate in some firearms, but then other firearms simply can't shoot these with acceptable accuracy. First, only buy one box to see if your firearm "likes" that loading.
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wcwhitey
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I have shot several brands of shorts out of my Rossi 611, accuracy was OK, they were quiet. I have never have been able to hit anything with a CB Cap. About as quiet for me are the Aquila Sub Sonic 40 Grain Lead LR. They shoot like a target round are quiet and won’t leave a ring in the cylinder. As @Old Hobo mentioned there are makers that have the LR loaded down to the 700 fps range. But if you have some shorts and want to shoot them go for it, have fun just clean the gun after. .22 Ammo of any brand is dirty.
Side note: the Aguila run well in the 10/22’s as well. They perform as well as CCI SV in my CZ-457 without breaking the sound barrier.
Side note: the Aguila run well in the 10/22’s as well. They perform as well as CCI SV in my CZ-457 without breaking the sound barrier.
CraigC
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Absolutely! I've shot a metric crapton of .22Shorts and CB's out of .22LR's. Mostly rifles because they're so quiet but there ain't much point to shoot them out of pistols.
not much can beat a ruger single six for durability, reliability and usefulness. it can be a “one and done handgun.” truth be told i was so absorbed in shooting mine outdoors a year ago that i ran almost 50 cci standard 22lr rounds through its 22wmr cylinder before noticing. absolutely no ill effects whatsoever.
Dave DeLaurant
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The .22 S-L-LR rimfire family all use heeled bullets, which are the same diameter as the outside of the case. The difference between these cartridges is in length, bullet weight and powder charge, plus the resulting differences in ballistics. That means any .22 LR chamber will accept and fire the .22 Short, at least when loaded singly. Some .22 LR rifle or autopistol actions may be unable to feed .22 Shorts, but with revolvers this isn't an issue.
I guess the real question is whether your .22 LR revolver will shoot any particular brand of .22 Short accurately, but I've always had good luck with CCI CB and HV Shorts in my .22 LR revolvers, particularly my Interarm/Uberti SAA.
I guess the real question is whether your .22 LR revolver will shoot any particular brand of .22 Short accurately, but I've always had good luck with CCI CB and HV Shorts in my .22 LR revolvers, particularly my Interarm/Uberti SAA.
Rubone
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Depending on what you are shooting at it will foul fowl.
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