Joe Sacco
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I'm looking for an informal target pistol in .22 cal. The obvious choices are the Browning Buckmark and the various Rugers. Anyone have any insights? Thanks, Joe
.22 target pistol recommendations
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jonnyc
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This same question has been asked 8 billion times on every gun site I read. Everybody fights about whether Rugers or Buckmarks are better (the Bucks are!) and a few odd-ball Neos owners chime in. Search here, and other sites, before asking these kinds of questions, no need to re-invent the wheel every other week. The previous advice was the best you could ask for. Find shops or owners with either or both, and see which you like better. If you discover you made the wrong choice, sell it for the other. :banghead:
I had the same decision
I had to make the same decision
Browning Buckmark
Ruger MK __ __ _ _
and instead I chose the beretta neos...
So far Im liking the neos
Its pretty darn accurate and fires well dirty, and take down takes 10-15 seconds (remove a barrel lug and it all comes apart for cleaning.
I had to make the same decision
Browning Buckmark
Ruger MK __ __ _ _
and instead I chose the beretta neos...
So far Im liking the neos
Its pretty darn accurate and fires well dirty, and take down takes 10-15 seconds (remove a barrel lug and it all comes apart for cleaning.Joe Sacco
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Thank you for the help, gentlemen. Sorry to be redundant, but I'm an old guy and have observed that things, manufactured goods and peoples opinions about them sometimes change. Having read your posts I'm more inclined toward the Buckmark than I was. I'd like to avoid buying and having to resell. Oh, well, gun show this weekend. Best, Joe
jonnyc
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If you shop well you can get a good Buckmark Standard for about $200. If you pick one up, you won't want to put it down.
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I prefer a Colt Woodsman but will not pass up a Ruger MkII slabside.
Just how "target" do you want to get.
Many folks will swear by a S&W 41 or High standard. But the latest batch of SIG trailside, Browning Buckmark, Beretta Neos and the basic Rugers MkII will do nicely.
that said I am selling a Ruger MkII Slabside email me
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Just how "target" do you want to get.
Many folks will swear by a S&W 41 or High standard. But the latest batch of SIG trailside, Browning Buckmark, Beretta Neos and the basic Rugers MkII will do nicely.
that said I am selling a Ruger MkII Slabside email me
[email protected]
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i miss the MkII i sold a few years ago. as for myself, i'll probably buy another Ruger, since i am familiar with them.
browningguy
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For .22's I have a Sig Trailside, Beretta 76, High Standard HD Military, early model Ruger. First choice is the High Standard, then the Beretta, then Sig. All have much better out of the box triggers than the Rugers, Browning is somewhere in between.
The only problem with the HD-Military is they are all over 50 years old now, so you have to really check them out well. The replacement for my Beretta is the Model 87, it is a fine target pistol although the trigger is a little heavier than the older models. The real problem is finding one, they are scarce even though they are a current production item.
The easiest choice is probably the target model Browning (not the $200 one) or the Sig, in the Ruger even the target model is going to need a trigger job, although once you do that it is a good shooting pistol. With the Sig you just need to see how the polymer grip fits your hand.
The only problem with the HD-Military is they are all over 50 years old now, so you have to really check them out well. The replacement for my Beretta is the Model 87, it is a fine target pistol although the trigger is a little heavier than the older models. The real problem is finding one, they are scarce even though they are a current production item.
The easiest choice is probably the target model Browning (not the $200 one) or the Sig, in the Ruger even the target model is going to need a trigger job, although once you do that it is a good shooting pistol. With the Sig you just need to see how the polymer grip fits your hand.
Picked up a High Standard Supermatic Tournament, Military grip last month. New in box with one mag. $389. A buddy picked up four new , old stock red bottom mags at a show and tossed one my way. The thing rocks. very accurate. Nice trigger.
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Black Majik
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toss up between Ruger MKII, SIG trailslide (the mosquito isn't SIG quality) and/or Marvel .22 conversion kit Unit 1 for your 1911.
Have fun
Have fun
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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Buck Marks are a lot easier to disassemble (at least for moderate cleaning) than a Ruger Mark is. Rugers can be a real puzzle to reassemble correctly the first few dozen times.
All you need with a Buck Mark is the supplied Allen wrench. Take off the 2 Allen screws holding on the rear sight assembly, remove the upper/barrel assembly from the frame by removing the Allen screw holding it on, and you're there. If further disassembly is required, remove the grips and clean out the innards.
I suggest getting some light-duty Loctite for the Allen screws holding on the sight assembly. They will work loose eventually.
You can obtain a Weaver mount upper that replaces the rear sight mount from Jack Weigand. http://www.jackweigand.com/bbm22.html
I have one for mine and I switch between a holographic dot sight and a 2x7 pistol scope from time to time. The pistol came with Troglo/Marble sights, which are terrific. Do a search under my username and Buck Mark to see photos and other details.
Regards,
Rabbit.
All you need with a Buck Mark is the supplied Allen wrench. Take off the 2 Allen screws holding on the rear sight assembly, remove the upper/barrel assembly from the frame by removing the Allen screw holding it on, and you're there. If further disassembly is required, remove the grips and clean out the innards.
I suggest getting some light-duty Loctite for the Allen screws holding on the sight assembly. They will work loose eventually.
You can obtain a Weaver mount upper that replaces the rear sight mount from Jack Weigand. http://www.jackweigand.com/bbm22.html
I have one for mine and I switch between a holographic dot sight and a 2x7 pistol scope from time to time. The pistol came with Troglo/Marble sights, which are terrific. Do a search under my username and Buck Mark to see photos and other details.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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Buck Marks are a lot easier to disassemble (at least for moderate cleaning) than a Ruger Mark is. Rugers can be a real puzzle to reassemble correctly the first few dozen times.
All you need with a Buck Mark is the supplied Allen wrench. Take off the 2 Allen screws holding on the rear sight assembly, remove the upper/barrel assembly from the frame by removing the Allen screw holding it on, and you're there. If further disassembly is required, remove the grips and clean out the innards.
I suggest getting some light-duty Loctite for the Allen screws holding on the sight assembly. They will work loose eventually.
You can obtain a Weaver mount upper that replaces the rear sight mount from Jack Weigand. http://www.jackweigand.com/bbm22.html
I have one for mine and I switch between a holographic dot sight and a 2x7 pistol scope from time to time. The pistol came with Truglo/Marble sights, which are terrific. Do a search under my username and Buck Mark to see photos and other details.
Regards,
Rabbit.
All you need with a Buck Mark is the supplied Allen wrench. Take off the 2 Allen screws holding on the rear sight assembly, remove the upper/barrel assembly from the frame by removing the Allen screw holding it on, and you're there. If further disassembly is required, remove the grips and clean out the innards.
I suggest getting some light-duty Loctite for the Allen screws holding on the sight assembly. They will work loose eventually.
You can obtain a Weaver mount upper that replaces the rear sight mount from Jack Weigand. http://www.jackweigand.com/bbm22.html
I have one for mine and I switch between a holographic dot sight and a 2x7 pistol scope from time to time. The pistol came with Truglo/Marble sights, which are terrific. Do a search under my username and Buck Mark to see photos and other details.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Joe,
This is actually a pretty easy question to answer. Both the Ruger and Browning pistols are quality guns that shouldn't give you any real problems. Which one should you get? These two pistols are VERY different in the hand. The Ruger has a much more severe grip angle than the Browning. Once you try the two, one is going to feel more natural in your hand. My guess is that you'll know within seconds of picking both up which you prefer.
The only exception is the Ruger 22/45. It has a polymer frame and a less severe grip angle.
Most gun shows have all the Ruger offerings, but not all the Browning options. You might want to look at Brownings different models on the web before you go just in case.
FWIW, I got the 22/45 cause I got a great deal on one, and I just can't do the severe Ruger grip angle. But, I've really been wanting a Browning for a few years now...
This is actually a pretty easy question to answer. Both the Ruger and Browning pistols are quality guns that shouldn't give you any real problems. Which one should you get? These two pistols are VERY different in the hand. The Ruger has a much more severe grip angle than the Browning. Once you try the two, one is going to feel more natural in your hand. My guess is that you'll know within seconds of picking both up which you prefer.
The only exception is the Ruger 22/45. It has a polymer frame and a less severe grip angle.
Most gun shows have all the Ruger offerings, but not all the Browning options. You might want to look at Brownings different models on the web before you go just in case.
FWIW, I got the 22/45 cause I got a great deal on one, and I just can't do the severe Ruger grip angle. But, I've really been wanting a Browning for a few years now...
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I have actually owned both, a Ruger MK-II KMK-512, and the Browning
Buckmark pictuered above. Gino, is right when he said they will feel very
differently in ones hands. While I had NO problems adjusting to the Ruger
grip angle, the Browning Classic Plus SE just seems more natural. With
that said, the Ruger is long gone; but the Browning is still here~!
I have actually owned both, a Ruger MK-II KMK-512, and the Browning
Buckmark pictuered above. Gino, is right when he said they will feel very
differently in ones hands. While I had NO problems adjusting to the Ruger
grip angle, the Browning Classic Plus SE just seems more natural. With
that said, the Ruger is long gone; but the Browning is still here~!
BozemanMT
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Browning Buckmark. I have the target version and it's way more accurate than me, with a really sweet SA trigger and way easy to disassemble and clean. You need big hands though. (little girly hands don't like it ).
Buddy's Ruger MkII, nice little gun, STUPID magazine release, STUPID hard to disassemble. :banghead:
The wife has a Sig Mosquito. Neat little gun, DA/SA, decocker, etc. If you have a Sig, this would be the thing to practice with. Only problem is, out of the 3 mags we have bought, it utterly hates 2 of them (and they are outrageous, like 35 bucks each:banghead: ) and jams the first couple rounds in each mag. You do learn a lot of tap/rack/bang drills though. But fun little gun and fits her smaller hands way better.
Beretta Neos. Buddy bought one. looks super cool, easy to take apart, etc. HORRIBLE trigger and hard to load. Glad he bought it first.
my .02
).Buddy's Ruger MkII, nice little gun, STUPID magazine release, STUPID hard to disassemble. :banghead:
The wife has a Sig Mosquito. Neat little gun, DA/SA, decocker, etc. If you have a Sig, this would be the thing to practice with. Only problem is, out of the 3 mags we have bought, it utterly hates 2 of them (and they are outrageous, like 35 bucks each:banghead: ) and jams the first couple rounds in each mag. You do learn a lot of tap/rack/bang drills though. But fun little gun and fits her smaller hands way better.
Beretta Neos. Buddy bought one. looks super cool, easy to take apart, etc. HORRIBLE trigger and hard to load. Glad he bought it first.
my .02
Gixerman1000
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I have a 6-7/8" Ruger Mark II Competition Target (slab side) and a 4" Browning Buck Mark standard, both are great shooters and very reliable.
I also have a 5.5" S&W model 41 that I hope to get out of lay-away this weekend, the 41's are awesome pistols but they are a bit pricey with a MSRP of $1062 and an average store price of around $850 to $950.
(Pic from S&W's web site)
I also have a 5.5" S&W model 41 that I hope to get out of lay-away this weekend, the 41's are awesome pistols but they are a bit pricey with a MSRP of $1062 and an average store price of around $850 to $950.
(Pic from S&W's web site)
CraigJS
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My favorite! Benelli MP95E :
P-32
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Another vote for the Buckmark. I have a Buckmark 5.5 target and a Smith 41. Both have been awesome pistols. The 41 can be cranky at times if the CCI std vel. ammo gets too cold. Not a problem with the Buckmark.
On the bench, the Buckmark will run with the 41. The 41 has a better trigger and feels better in the hand but for the money I would not be afraid to get another Buckmark.
The 2 pistol's I have are used for indoor 22 Bullseye at 50 feet. Both have dot sights. The Buckmark is my back up pistol and is often loaned to new shooters who don't have pistol yet. I did have to send the Buckmark back to Browning after a friends trigger job went south after about 5,000 rounds. I fully expected I was going to pay but I stuck a note in with the pistol stating it was used only in comp. It came back with a better trigger and no charge.
On the bench, the Buckmark will run with the 41. The 41 has a better trigger and feels better in the hand but for the money I would not be afraid to get another Buckmark.
The 2 pistol's I have are used for indoor 22 Bullseye at 50 feet. Both have dot sights. The Buckmark is my back up pistol and is often loaned to new shooters who don't have pistol yet. I did have to send the Buckmark back to Browning after a friends trigger job went south after about 5,000 rounds. I fully expected I was going to pay but I stuck a note in with the pistol stating it was used only in comp. It came back with a better trigger and no charge.
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