.223 rate-of-twist

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But the problem is, most factory rifles come in either 1:12 or 1:9, at least the ones I've been looking at. I've decided to go with the 1:9 twist and shoot a lot of Black Hills 68-grain BTHP. I may shoot some lighter ones later or reserve them for my Ruger 77 which has the 1:12 twist. Thanks for your help!
 
I am not convinced that rate of twist required for stabilization is a function of velocity.

I'd tend to agree, it looks like velocity and the extra RPM cancel each other out. (both are approximately V^2 functions.)


Think of it this way, the *bullet* is still spinning 1 full twist in every 9" of flight, after it leaves the muzzle. At any velocity. (from 100fps to 10,000fps.)

And it is this twist/PER inch that achives stabalization. Velocity basically comes very close to cancling itself out. A few percent of a factor in the 100-10,000fps range at the most.


-So, back to earth, a 1/9 or 1/8 would be ideal to shoot the 77gr Black Hills primarily, with secondary use of occational 55gr Federal plinking ammo.

* The 1/8 can still shoot 50gr (provided the jacket is thick enough to stay together. very thin 35-40gr may have trouble.)

* Throught/bore errosion may be an issue if a lot of really light ammo is fired (high velocity.)

-If the use is to be with cheaper/lighter (eg varmant) ammo ALL the time, then a 1/12 is fine.

* The 77gr WILL NOT stabalize, not with a 12" bore or 30" bore. It won't matter much.

* Throught errosion will occur at a slightly lower rate with the faster (40-50gr at 3600fps is going to be a burner no matter what, just a little less here.)
 
Just a data point...

My AR's with 1/7" twists (two 20 inchers and a 16 inch) shoot the vaunted Black Hills 77 grain lawn darts and the Winchester 40 grain power pills with equal aplomb. I do love that one-in-seven!

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Throat/bore errosion may be an issue if a lot of really light ammo is fired (high velocity.)
Throat, or leade, erosion is caused by overheating the area in question. This overheating comes from the burn temperature of the powder charge and not letting the bore cool between shots.

There is a direct correlation between pressure and burn temperature. I'm working of the top of my head (as always, it seems) but my memory has it that a 55,000 psi chamber pressure is running in the 3,500 to 4,000 degree F area; just for a microsecond. That is cutting torch temperature, and that is why the leade burns out long before the muzzle is worn.

When Ackley was building the 1-5 twist Wasp, he was researching the effects of twist on pressure. He could not find an effect. Later researchers with more precise equipment found twist could influence pressure up to half a percent.

Twist is not going to effect leade erosion in any measurable sense.

Think of it this way, the *bullet* is still spinning 1 full twist in every 9" of flight, after it leaves the muzzle. At any velocity. (from 100fps to 10,000fps.)
And it is this twist/PER inch that achives stabalization. Velocity basically comes very close to cancling itself out. A few percent of a factor in the 100-10,000fps range at the most.
Correctamundo! Rotational momentum is retained long past lineral velocity. So, at some point (say 100 to 150 yards downrange, just for discussion) the round will settle down and fly true. However, because while it was yawing and wobbling out to 100 yards, it's off course. Simply because it trues up doesn't mean it will magically return to the line of sight.

Greenhill's formula is
Minimum Twist Rate = (K times Bullet Diameter {squared}) divided by Bullet Length
The constant "K" is assigned a value of 150 when the velocities are around 1500 f/s and 180 when velocities get around 2800 f/s.

When Antherd says
...it looks like velocity and the extra RPM cancel each other out. (both are approximately V^2 functions.)
I think this approximated constant is why. The value of "K" must increase in relation to velocity. In English, the bullet has to be spun faster at higher velocity to overcome the increased wind resistance. But I'm not enough of a mathematician to figure the degree of increase. I can see it's not linear.

Greenhill didn't need to do much better. In his time, black powder was the primary propellant, and BP velocities top out at about 1600 to 1700 f/s. Additionally, all his research was done with cannon.

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