.223 twist rate?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Drewcat

Member
Joined
Sep 24, 2004
Messages
25
Location
Central, IL
Looking for information on the rifling twist rate for an AR-15. Rock River Arms lists a rate of 1 in 8" for the Varmiter. Will this "over" stabalize a 55 grain bullet? I think 1 in 12" would be to slow since I would at least like the option of shooting heavier bullets.

Any info. would be apreciated!
 
Carlos,

Thanks for the reply (I think!). I can't get to the site right now (at work and it's blocked) but I'll check it out when I get home.

P.S. I noticed your sig line, I'm currently re-reading that book. Just as good the second time.
 
heres the data chunk you want from da orcale:

Q. What twist rate do I want for my rifle?


Probably 1:9, but it depends on what kind of bullets you intend to shoot.


Special purpose rifles often have uncommon twist rates._ For example, if you are building a varmint rifle and want to shoot the short 35 grain, 40 grain, and 50 grain bullets, a 1:12, or even 1:14 twist would be best._ On the other hand, long range High Power shooters often select 1:8, 1:7.7, 1:7, or 1:6.5-twist barrels to stabilize the long 77, 80 and even 90 grain bullets used for 1,000 yard competition._ Additionally, new testing of heavier rounds (68-77 grains) seems to show that they perform very well in simulated tissue and may be a better defensive choice than 55 grain or 62 grain rounds. The majority of shooters, though, typically shoot bullets of 50 to 69 grains in weight (note that the 62gr SS-109/M855 bullet is as long as a 71 grain lead core bullet) and should select 1:9 twist barrels._ At typical .223 velocities, a 1:9 twist will stabilize bullet lengths equivalent to lead-core bullets of 40 to 73 grains in weight.


1:12 twist rifles cannot stabilize SS-109/M855 bullets and 1:7 twist rifles are slightly less accurate with lighter bullets and will often blow apart the thin jackets of lightweight varmint bullets._ The 1:7 twist is used by the military to stabilize the super-long L-110/M856 tracer bullet out to 800 yards, but unless your plans include shooting a significant amount of M856, the 1:9 twist rate is better suited for general use.


There is, of course, an exception: if you want to use loads utilizing the heavier, 75-77 grain match bullets currently used by Spec-Ops troops and other selected shooters, you'll want a 1:7 twist barrel._ Although military loadings using these bullets are expensive and hard to get, some persistent folks have managed to obtain a supply, and will need the proper barrel twist to use them._ Anyone who foresees a need to shoot this ammo should consider a 1:7 twist barrel.


Opinions (Pro and Con):


1:9 is best.
Why?_ Flexibility._ It doesn't seem to have any problems throwing M856 tracers around, unless it gets really cold, it wears better than 1:7 and it stabilizes more rounds than 1:12._ Additionally, 1:9 rifles, even Mil-Spec chrome chambered and barreled, can attain 1.0-2.0 MOA out to 300+ meters.


No, 1:7 and 1:8 are the best.
Why?_ Accuracy._ For heavier and longer rounds during competition shooting, 1:8 and 1:7 twists are the best for heavy 77-80 grain rounds that I use to shoot competitively at 500-1000 meters._ Who needs to shoot tracers anyhow? More importantly, heavier rounds are showing very good results in terminal testing and are proving to be much better defensive rounds.
 
Harry,

Thanks for posting the info. from the site. I re-read my question and it wasn't worded very well, but that discussion answers my question. I basically wanted to have the ability to shoot the cheepo ammo which seems to be in the 55 grain range, but still retain the ability to shoot heavier stuff at longer ranges. Sounds like 1 in 8 might be a little tight 1 in 9 sounds about right.
 
I'll put in my 2 cents in support of the 1/7" twist. I shoot 55 grain surplus ammo through my Colt AR's all the time, and shoot itty-bitty groups when I'm doing well. If they're overstabilized, then they're overstabilizing themselves right into the X-ring! I also like the ability to shoot the heavy, 77 grain Black Hills ammo for extended-range shooting. The only problems I've had with the 1/7 were with the tiny 40 grain pills, which pulled themselves apart into a lead "mist".

Just adding a datapoint,
vanfunk
 
1/7 might be fine for longer bullets, but it could, as the Ammo Oracle stated, spin apart varmint bullets. Are you actually varminting, or do you just want a very accurate rifle? :D
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top