22s with really long barrel? 26"+???

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@ long time gone,
the Anshutz has a long barrel just to increase the sight radius to the maximum allowed in competition. Often, the actual barrel is shorter and ther is a barrel sleeve to prolong sight radius. Even competition air rifles have these long barrels.

that being said, longer barrels are more beautifull to me, specifically on levers.
a 24" 44-40 1892 is much better looking, but that is just my taste
 
I like the way the longer barrel holds for offhand shooting. Once I get the rifle dialed in, I do not shoot from a bench, only field or target positions. The longer barrel gives me a better "hold". I have a Ruger M77/22 which I rebarreled with a Winchester M52 barrel, 27 1/2" long. I also have a Springfield Model 1922 with a 24" barrel. Both of these rifles allow me to practice using a rifle that is approximately the same size as some of my hunting rifles.

The shorter barrels, while lighter, seem to whip and jump around a lot more. For guys who only shoot from a bench, that may be acceptable.
 
CH47gunner said:
My brother tells me that a 16" barrel is the perfect length as after 16", the bullet starts to lose velocity. The longer barrel does add to more stability of the bullet tho.
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The thing is, as others have been trying to point out, "faster" doesn't mean "better" or "more accurate". This seems to be a common point of confusion, even by the OP.

The longer barrel increases sight radius, is quieter and often balances better, but AFAIK, doesn't "stabilize" a bullet any better than a short barrel.
 
"as others have been trying to point out, "faster" doesn't mean "better" or "more accurate". This seems to be a common point of confusion"

You saved me some typing. Thanks.
 
Those long barreled 22s can get very quiet with sub sonic ammunition. Suppressed with a long barrel is incredibly quiet compared to a suppressed 16 inch.

Again, very noticeable and probably worth a a thought if you are going for quiet but do not really need the handling of a short barrel.
 
IMHO, velocity is the least important factor in choosing a .22LR barrel length. I used to be all about short barrels but grew out of it. Sight radius is a much more important factor, as is balance, overall weight and even noise. Shorter barrels are significantly louder than longer ones. One of my favorite all around .22 rifles is a 24" Remington 541T and I wouldn't dream of shortening it. It handles and balances beautifully and is much quieter than a 16" barrel. When I built my last 10/22, I'd have used a 24" barrel if Clark had offered one longer than 21.5" without a serious upcharge. I'd love to have a CZ UltraLux with peep sights.

Sorry but to suggest that anyone who designs a .22LR longer than 20" is stupid or anyone that buys one is ignorant is to prove your own ignorance. :rolleyes:
 
Having a long 26"+ can't be very accurate. What then? Sacrifice Accuracy for Noise? Although if the critter is 40 yds or less and a Possum, I guess any barrel length would do?
 
Them long barrels is why I can use one of my ole Model 90 Winchesters on varmits when others have to use them silly scoped 22s.
 
Having a long 26"+ can't be very accurate. What then? Sacrifice Accuracy for Noise? Although if the critter is 40 yds or less and a Possum, I guess any barrel length would do?
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You'll have to explain to the group exactly how a longer barrel is less accurate. That's a new one on me.
 
Well if'n ya want a shorter barrel on your 39As go ahead and cut them, make a video of it.

Noise reduction on a long barrel is big plus. Maybe not so much noticeable with a .22 but shooting my 45/70 1895cb with a 26" barrel is no burden without muffs. And before someone gets on their stump to preach, yes I wear muffs most of the time and always with handguns.

My 1895cb kinda makes my 39As look short, the 39As make the 1894c look real short... but as far as I'm concerned they're all just right.
 
With regard to sight radius, a shorter barrel with a blurp (sp?) tube will accomplish the same thing. Many of the high-end 3-position target rifles use them.
 
Just because the optimum bbl length is 16" doesn't necessitate that every inch after slows the bullet down. The role of friction in the bbl is being greatly exaggerated lately. It's becoming another gun forum fallacy.

Optimum bbl length is itself a fallacy. The actual distance it takes for the powder to burn is dependant on the burn rate and charge weight of powder used in each loading of that cartridge. The 16" to 18" numbers you hear are gross generalizations based on a standard case, standard velocity 40gr. Load. A load using a longer case or a lighter bullet, or a higher operating pressure (read: most of the ammo sold today) will indeed reach peak velocity beyond 16".

Check out BBTI and you will see that the CCI stinger achieved slightly higher velocity on a 23" Winchester and a 22" Kimber than in the 18" test barrel. The longer gun achieved identical velocities with bulk Remington golden bullets as the test bbl - the extra 5" of barrel having no net effect on velocity. The WORST performing loads for velocity were only about 30fps slower over those 5 ", and they were all conventional 40gr loads with less powder and less case capacity.

That is the effect people are fusing about - 6fps per inch average velocity reduction. If you shot a 10 round string, your average deviation would probably be larger than that. Your extreme spread would likely even be larger than the net effect of 5 extra inches of barrel.

The notion that 20"+ barrels are hurting the performance of your 22lr is a myth. It is a non issue in the real world. They have a very real benefit of increasing sight radius for training new shooters. They have no ballistic effect observable by the shooter - both gains and losses produced by various ammo types are so small as to be inconsequential.
 
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I thought the optimum barrel length for a .22LR modern smokeless cartridge was 19.5 inches, the length selected for the Remington Nylon 66.

A relative died and I was given the duty of removing rust from a Winchester 67 bolt action,* an heirloom going to one of the heirs. A .22 singleshot squirrel gun with a very ingenious combination of sear-extractor-ejector-boltstop in a single hefty machined steel part powered by a large hard-to-break flat spring--and sporting a 27 inch barrel. A perfect farmer's hunting and garden gun if I ever saw one. ANd yes, I have a lot of 16" to 22" modern .22 sporters, but that old gun and long open sighted barrel whispered squirrel dumplings--it's what's for dinner.



*(My rust removal technique was to paint the barrel with oil and let it soak for several days, then take the barreled acton out on the deck under sunlight with reading glasses and shave the crusty rust carefully with a new single edge razor blade, wiping and reoiling until the surface was smooth.)
 
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76shuvlinoff said:
Well if'n ya want a shorter barrel on your 39As go ahead and cut them, make a video of it.

Noise reduction on a long barrel is big plus.
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I have thought about lopping off about 4" of that fat barrel, but that pesky mag tube makes me consider the costs of having a gunsmith do it and I just file that thought away into wishful thinking.

I do admit that my 24" barreled .22s are so much quieter than my 16" barreled .22s, especially with sub-sonic ammo.
 
Longer bbls are less accurate?!?! Someboby better tell Anschutz, Remington(Model 37 & 40x) and winchester(52's) because, apparently they have been doing it wrong for long time!
 
I've got a walther sport modelle V that has a 26" barrel and a tangent sight calibrated to 200 meters. Gonna try it out one day if it gets above freezing. Made in the 30s I believe.
 
I have my Dad's Winchester 67A single shot,and the 27" barrel on it was standard,so it's nothing new.
I think they dropped the mod. 67 in the early 60s.
 
ColtPythonElite said:
Hyper velocity .22 lr rounds are great if you enjoy shooting large groups.
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Ain't that the truth !

Even bulk Remington Subsonics, shoot more accurately in most of my rimfires, from my Woodsman, Sportsman, MKII Ruger pistol all with 6" or longer barrels, to my Remington 12A, or target barreled 10-22, Marlin 60, Savage MKII FV.

But I do use some 36 gr HP Agulia in the 10-22 for squirrel or rabbit, that shoot just about as well.
 
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