25 cal semi auto "j.cesar" ?????

[Mazz]

My last post did not go through.....Anyone know anything about this 25?:banghead:

I need grips, a new mag and grip screws!!!!!!!

It was my late Dads' a take home from WW II in a locked box I found while cleaning out his stuff! the box also had letters in it from WW II .... so its at least from the 1940s!!!!!! and from Spain, thats all I know!

 

[Jim K]

I wonder what kind of holster he carried under a toga.

Seriously, that is one of many tons of Spanish guns that have little or no value and were cheaply made of substandard material. Value is under $50 and I wouldn't waste any time or money trying to repair it.

If you are detemined to go ahead, good luck. While there were many similar guns, there were dozens of makers, and none of their guns were exactly alike, so finding a magazine is a matter of luck. If there are gun shows in your area, it might be possible to seach through junk boxes or through a magazine seller's stock until you find one that fits (don't take the gun, only the frame to check) or can be made to work.

The same applies to grips, but those can be made. The screws are metric but with no need to worry about originality or value, you can just tap the holes to any convenient size and use U.S. screws.

Jim

 

[Mazz]

Thanks Jim! It just a little piece of my Dad for me to keep as a memento! Good advice!!!!!

 

[Ron James]

It dates prior to 1936, and the maker is unknown.

 

[Mazz]

Thank You Ron ..... I'll keep it as is in the safe!

 

[gyvel]

The manufacturer, according to Mathews, was "Tomas de Urizar y Cia," of Eibar, Spain.

According to Gene Gangarosa Jr's book, Urizar also produced "Velo-dog" revolvers in the early part of the 20th century and at least one .32 auto designated "Venus." Apparently, his company did not survive the Spanish Civil War, and he was shut down by Franco.

While not in the "prime collectables" category, these Spanish handguns have slowly been climbing in value lately as there are those who have an interest in this type of pistol. I don't believe the Urizar products to be as poorly made as other Spanish handguns, as the company was in business for around at least three decades.

Unfortunately, other than coming across an original mag by accident that fits and works, your only option at present is Triple K and they are generally garbage.

 

[Ron James]

I was under the impression that Tomas De Urizar was a retailer, he purchased his firearms from different Eibar gunsmiths and exported them to the US. This is why I stated that the maker was unknown. While several makers , such as Garate Anitua Y Cia are know to have furnish firearms to Tomas, they are not otherwise marked. My reference shows Tomas as a retailer only, not a maker. Could be wrong, been wrong before

 

[gyvel]

And I could be wrong. I was quoting what I found in Mathews' Firearms Identification and Gene Gangarosa Jr's book Spanish Handguns. I guess there is a great deal of speculation as to the origins, dealings and fates of many Spanish gunmakers.

 

[Ron James]

Well, it doesn't help that not only did these small gun makers business failed in 1936 ( with help from General Franco ) most of the gun makers them self Were shot. And with them to the grave gos their records.

 

[Jim Watson]

Triple K has magazine and grips, but you are on your own for screws.
http://www.triplek.com/Products/id/38/grp/412/prd/818/

Would they mind at Lowes if you took just the frame in and tried different metric screws?

Triple K says made by Urizar, marketed by Garate, Anitua but from the above it would have been the other way 'round.

 

[Jim K]

I have a confession to make. I have both of the books mentioned, and I didn't even bother to look. All those Spanish .25's are much of a muchness and, some wild statements about being worth hundreds of dollars notwithstanding, pretty much junk. When they show up in stores, they are usually priced at around $100 and that is functional and with all the parts. Few gun dealers will even take them in; the liability is too high, the profit too small, and the chances are that the gun will be brought back because it won't work.

Jim

 

[Mazz]

Update

I have made some progress on this Pistol. I Made new grips from Cocobolo wood and dug up some screws(not orig, but nice). I've contacted a club in Spain and found out it was made in 1929. (http://www.colecciondepistolas.com/foro.asp). I purchased repro grips from a place in FLA. and it looks good! Now to get the Mag to feed ! It needs to be brazed, as I think it's tin, so now I'm looking for someone with skills I don't have. This pistol looks so good that the club in Spain asked Me to send them photos of both sides for their collection.

Just wondering if there is such a craftsman around ?
The mag is clean , the mag spring is clean and strong.... but the seam is loose at the top !

Tripplek told me there is a 90 day wait for this mag .... will a FN, Colt or Browning work?

thanks!:banghead:

 

[Mazz]

pics

 

[Mazz]

From: [email protected]
To:
Subject: Re: j.Cesar 6.35mm magazines
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:43:27 +0100

Hello:

The pistol "J.Cesar" was made by Tomás de Urizar towards ends of the twenties.

Very difficult to find a magazine.

He would be grateful he was sending photographies of his two sides

Regards.

__________________________________________________________________________

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:50 PM

Hello:

Received the photos, thank you very much.

Made in 1929.

Regards.

 

[Kiln]

The gun looks pretty good to me, I'd just stash it away and hold onto it as an heirloom. Even if it isn't worth much to others I'd imagine that it has some personal value to you. It looks AMAZING for its age.

 

[dprice3844444]

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