28ga 870 Express Range Report

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As mentioned in another thread, I cut down the stock and installed a Hi-Viz Xcoil pad on my 28ga 870 Express. This was because Mrs. Trapper had expressed a desire to try a pump for sporting clays.

First off, I ended up trimming approximately 1.5" - 2" from the stock, and in doing so I changed the pitch slightly, so that she didn't see as much of the rib. The Xcoil was something I'd gotten in a sale bin for a few bucks a while ago. It was a grind-to-fit, which I finished by wrapping the stock in two layers of masking tape and then using my belt sander to finish. It's far from perfect, but quite functional. I beveled the toe a tad and applied clear nail polish to the sides and the beveled portion. When I was done, I compared it to her professionally fittted Beretta 682, and it looked at least in the ballpark.

Today, we went out and shot a round of clays. Since she'd never shot this gun before and had relatively little experience with pumps, we picked an easier course. The weather wasn't cooperating too well and we had a mix of light rain and very heavy, gusting winds.

She was shooting a mix of Winchester AA and Remington STS factory shells, both loaded with #8 shot. For those of you unfamiliar with the 28ga Express, it has a fixed Modified choke and I believe a 26" barrel.

The first station, which is a couple of quartering away report pairs, she not only ran them, but absolutely pounded them. The next station has slightly farther trap-like shots which run pretty high. She missed one, but I think that was only due to the target flipping very high due to the wind as she pulled the trigger.

By this time, she was getting pretty confident in her skills and the "little" gun. I won't go into to much detail, but she ended up with 36/50, which is only a few targets off where I'd expect her with her O/U. I was most glad to see that she was able to stay on and break a particularly tricky true pair (both R->L crossers coming off a tower).

As far as the gun goes, she did have 3 or 4 times when it would hang up while she was working the action after the first shot. I'm not convinced that it was necessarily her form, since on one of them, I had to clear the chambered hull pretty vigorously. This gun has less than 1000 shells through it and may not be completely broken in. I do know that it was cleaned thoroughly before this outing.

In all, a good day. The 28ga wasn't a magic-wand, but it does break clays well and the recoil isn't bad at all. The Xcoil pad did a nice job (noticably better than the stock butt-plate). Most of all, Mrs. Trapper had fun and expanded her repetoire of skills. :)
 
Thanks. I like happy endings, this is a happy beginning. A couple things...

IIRC, the barrel on the 28 gauge 870 is 25".

A few thousand more shells will smooth that thing up.

36/50 is a good score with a new gun. How much pumpgunning has she done?
 
Mention a 28ga and all the usual suspects come out like our dogs when I open the food container. :D

Dave - As I think about it, you're right about the barrel length.

My wife has shot pumps before, but not much. Mostly just familiarization with our HD shotgun (birdshot, buck and slugs at stationary targets). This was the first time she'd shot more than a couple shells at moving targets with a pump. I was pretty impressed at how well she took to it. Aside from operating the forearm, the action isn't too different from the autoloaders she shot for years. I think she missed one target by forgetting to work the bolt.

Frankly, I bet that her score would go up a fair bit with a few more rounds under her belt. She rapidly realized that the new gun swung a lot faster than her 682, so she slowed her swing down accordingly. Unfortunately on a couple of fast crossers, she slowed it down a bit too much and missed behind. On those, when she just swung naturally, they broke into pleasingly tiny bits.

One thing I'm really happy about is that she's becoming a much better instinctive shooter. With the wind flipping the targets all over the place, it was a good test of one's ability to focus and make on-the-fly adjustments. Overall, she did quite well with both... especially considering shooting an entirely new gun with a different "platform".
 
TR, I'd wager the usual flagon of mead that a few rounds from now she's meeting or exceeding her old scores.

Also, the lighter weight means less fatigue. She may find out her later station performance improving.

Once she gets her chops adjusted, look out!
 
Dave - You may be right, although it will take a while to know for sure. She's recently (within the last 6 weeks or so), taken a couple lessons and changed some things about her shooting.

Primarily, she's gone to using a bit of tape on her left lens in order to help correct for cross-dominance issue. So, she's now shooting with both eyes open. For a little while, her scores dipped, but she's been practicing (not just going out and shooting a round, but real dedicated practicing) and her scores are starting to come back up.

She's going to stay with the Beretta primarily, but will use the 870 when she feels like mixing things up a bit. I do the same thing with my Model 42. When I hit the point where it feels like I'm getting too serious and I'm not having as much fun as I should, I break out the M42 and shoot it a few times. It works every time.
 
Since you mentioned it's an Express, I'd guess that it is suffering from what seems to be the number one complaint of Big Green's budget line, a less than well-finished chamber.
I have had this "hang-up" problem on a few loaner guns, especially after they were warmed-up, all with Express barrels fitted. After a session with the ol' 0000-wool-covered-jag-in-a-drill I have not had a single problem with any of my loaner guns.
I sure wish you guys would stop with the 28 ga. chatter. I do NOT need another gauge here at casa del 9mm! Yer killin' me!
Mike
 
I sure wish you guys would stop with the 28 ga. chatter.
Well if it makes you feel any better the 28 gauge is awful for HD. No slugs or buck to be found.

But for everything else it's a delight. I don't agree with the poster who said the 28 is handicapped at sporting. Inside 40 yards, maybe to 45, there isn't anything that I can't do with a 28 gauge as well as with the 12. When someone on the squad says that such and such a target can't be hit with a 28 gauge (say a long 40 yard high crosser) it's my pleasure to disprove their theory.

Resistance is futile. There are two types of shotgunners. Those who have a 28 gauge and those who will have one day.;)
 
I am planning a sub-(12)-guage SC shoot this Summer. I have a handicap system that K80Geoff gave me that he swears by.
I'll be using my bride's 16 ga. WM which spots me a couple for being a pump and a couple for being a 16 ga.
When I shoot with Mrs. 9mmMike, she uses a 20 ga. 1100 Special Field. I do NOT spot her any clays though! Shhhhhh.
I think an 1100 in 28 ga. would be very cool. Dagnabit! This is all y'alls fault.....
 
PJR - I generally agree that the 28ga is useful for sporting. However, do you really think that it's as good as a 12ga? How do your scores compare?

For skeet, I can certainly see the argument for shooting 28ga for everything except .410. However, at sporting I do think I'd be at a slight disadvantage... but losing even a couple targets can get you out of the money pretty fast. It's sort of like Brister's chapter "The Case for the Small Gauge", where he points out that despite the advantages of the 28ga, folks (including himself) looking for every advantage will choose 12ga.
 
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Well if it makes you feel any better the 28 gauge is awful for HD. No slugs or buck to be found.


PJR-
I agree, with current factory offerings
Allow me to repectfully disagree with respect to using reloading components. 28 ga is essentially a .54 caliber - which history proves to be a very effective caliber. I have some sucessful experience with not only buckshot loadings - also Slugs in the past.

More recent another member also used slugs now availble for 28 ga. If he see this and chooses to share - most informative.
Mine were homemade, his commercial.

I have a lot of respect for Brister, I agree a 28 ga is better than it is supposed to be, and it does have limits. I really like shooting any gun more "sporting" for game. I really like the short courses allowing 28 ga and .410s to be used. Especially for those with injuries and limited physically [detached retina, back, shoulder surgeries] more recoil sensitve such as the elderly and new shooters.

Still I feel very strong about the 28 ga being an easy to tote, handle and useful shotgun with reloaded buckshot and slugs. Again the same folks mentioned above could benefit - and deer always seem to come out on a bird field, when both bird and deer are in season, while toting a 28 gauge.

Not for the inexperienced reloader, or shotgunner per se', I am not talking of doing something off the wall - just common sense , safe loads for a task.

I used hard nickle, or copper plated buckshot, simply removed pellets from a target load, weighed the buckshot payload and buffering I used and re-crimped. I stayed within safe loadings. I made my own slugs as well...

Just something if I ever get rich I want to do more with ...

Steve
 
TrapperReady - On a course with short targets (under 40 yards) my scores with the 12 and 28 aren't that different. What I might give up in pattern density I gain in less recoil and a faster gun. If facing longer targets then I'd rather have the 12. Generally I shoot 1 ounce in my 12 gauge unless targets get out there and then go for the 1-1/8.

What is different and requires some greater attention are the comparative swing dynamics of both guns. The are both 32" guns from the same manufacturer that fit the same. The 28 gauge is a wand and very fast so I have to slow down otherwise I will over lead crossing targets. It requires a different shooting style.

So I can't just pick up the 28 and shoot as well as the 12. I need a few rounds to adjust to the different gun dynamics but on short targets I can eventually match my scores with the 12.
 
PJR - Thanks for the reply. So far, I've run into exactly ONE sporting clays shooter who was shooting a 28ga for everything, and he wasn't shooting registered targets anymore. He still shot pretty well, though.

It should be interesting, as I am in the process of ordering a Kolar (getting fitted next week). There's a pretty good chance that I'll get a set of carrier barrels made up and a full set of tubes... so I should have an excellent platform for isolating the effect of bore-size. The handling characteristics should be identical regardless of what I'm shooting, the only differences being the amount of shot and the corresponding amount of recoil.
 
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