2nd Amendment Senate Report - Must Read

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With All the recent conversation regarding the Heller decision I thought it appropriate to give reference to a senate report that seems almost lost to the recent events.

The report was given as a subcommittee study on the constitution and more specifically regarding the 2nd amendment.

It is a must read for all who dicuss this issue, and unfortunately 4 justices of the supreme court must not have read this report, or simply decided it was not what they wanted to hear.

Under the guidence of Chairman Orrin Hatch who was the chair of the senate judiciary committee, a study was commisioned by the senate of the ninty seventh congress, second session in 1982. Reference number 88-618 0 this report was printed and is a matter of record. Too long of a report to transfer here you should search for this report using the given information.

Here are a few quotes from this report :

"Subsequent legislation in the second Congress likewise supports the interpretation of the Second Amendment that creates an individual right. In the Militia Act of 1792, the second Congress defined "militia of the United States" to include almost every free adult male in the United States. These persons were obligated by law to possess a firearm and a minimum supply of ammunition and military equipment. This statute, incidentally, remained in effect into the early years of the present century as a legal requirement of gun ownership for most of the population of the United States. There can by little doubt from this that when the Congress and the people spoke of a "militia", they had reference to the traditional concept of the entire populace capable of bearing arms, and not to any formal group such as what is today called the National Guard. "

"If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying — that they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 — establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime."

"We did not speculate as to the intent of the framers of the second amendment; we examined James Madison's drafts for it, his handwritten outlines of speeches upon the Bill of Rights, and discussions of the second amendment by early scholars who were personal friends of Madison, Jefferson, and Washington while these still lived. What the Subcommittee on the Constitution uncovered was clear — and long lost — proof that the second amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms. "
 
Thanks for posting the Link Pappy ! I see this is getting about the same attention here as it got from the likes of Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden who were I believe members of this committee.

Perhaps people are getting burned out on the subject and just want a good -what gun for zombie thread again ? :rolleyes:

Even though anyone who wants to talk about the subject (and a lot of talk has been going on) needs to read this very important report ,done with resources others can't begin to bring to bear.
 
The best argument I know for this sacred document is the same one I use for the bible, one can't pick the commandments one enjoys and ignore the ones that are difficult. Yeah God, I will honor my Father & Mother but please don't ask me not to covet my neighbors hot wife! Either one believes or one doesn't. The Second Amendment comes right after The Freedom of Religious Belief, Speech, Press, Assembly and Petition. The Second comes immediately after the first for a specific reason, and that is to safe guard the first, which in itself makes it an individual right. Those that do not believe that the Second is an individual right also do not believe that the first is either. Like the bible, take it as a whole or not at all.
 
I continue to be amazed by all those who wish to hold on to the 1937 SCOTUS ruling that has been misinterpreted as a collective right. Even the smallest amount of research leads one to the understanding that 2A was put there to keep .gov in check and limit its ability to become tyrannical. All you need to do is read the Federalist Papers as well as other writings of the framers of the Constitution. But I guess it doesn't fit their Socialist view of .gov controling everything and everyone. This is only the first victory in what will prove to be a multitude of battles. We must continue to be proactive.
 
The best argument I know for this sacred document is the same one I use for the bible, one can't pick the commandments one enjoys and ignore the ones that are difficult.

No offense, but unless you're wearing a square beard as you type that, you might want to either change that statement or brush up on your Leviticus 19.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who follows the Bible in its entirety. There are plenty of things on the Old Testament that are ignored.
 
The best argument I know for this sacred document is the same one I use for the bible, one can't pick the commandments one enjoys and ignore the ones that are difficult. Yeah God, I will honor my Father & Mother but please don't ask me not to covet my neighbors hot wife!
WHAAAAAT!?

I can't covet my neighbor's hot wife? What's this world coming to, anyway?
 
You know guys, if our government is going to require us, as members of the militia, to buy an M-16 and/or an M-4 with minimal ammunition (10,000 rounds for each should do it) we should at least get a tax break on it. We should also be able to buy everything we need at some sort of government discount too.
 
"If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying — that they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 — establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime."

Wow, that's a very powerful and succint point.
 
Thanks for posting the Link Pappy ! I see this is getting about the same attention here as it got from the likes of Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden who were I believe members of this committee.

Perhaps people are getting burned out on the subject and just want a good -what gun for zombie thread again ?

Or perhaps people aren't as excited about newly discovering a document published a quarter of a century ago?
 
Or perhaps people aren't as excited about newly discovering a document published a quarter of a century ago?

Well I suppose that may be true, however if people are all excited about what the Heller case means to 2nd amendment, then perhaps they should know a little about 2nd amendment history. A lot of folks still bringing up the same points covered in this 1982 document on recent posts, like they just thought of it, and seemingly no clue this existed as a reference.

I always appreciate good information more than just biased smoke up my butt, so considered this good information. If your not interested, maybe someone else is.
 
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