jphendren
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Are the threads on the 2nd gen. Colts the same as the originals made in the 19th century? Are the modern Uberti's the same as the 2nd gen's?
2nd gen. Colt screws same as originals?
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Tommygunn
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I will not say this authoritatively; but "it has been my understanding" that Uberti's screws, being european, are metric, while 19th century Colts, being American, use english thread screws.
I will not speculate on "2nd Generation Colts" as I do not know what the ** I am talking about with regards to "2nd Generation Colts."
Take what I have said with a grain of salt.
I will not say this authoritatively; but "it has been my understanding" that Uberti's screws, being european, are metric, while 19th century Colts, being American, use english thread screws.
I will not speculate on "2nd Generation Colts" as I do not know what the ** I am talking about with regards to "2nd Generation Colts."
Take what I have said with a grain of salt.
rcmodel
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Uberti frame with a 1st gen. Colt 32-20 WCF barrel & cylinder.
It screwed right on like it was the same exact thread!
Sure wasn't Metric!
2nd. Gen are the same.
3rd. Gen are different barrel threads, but I think the screws might be the same. Not sure about that as I didn't try it.
However, if you need 1st. gen screws, it would be a crime to replace them with Italian made IMS ones. (Itsa My Screws)
You can get originals from Peacemaker Specialists, and others.
http://www.peacemakerspecialists.com/
rcmodel
It screwed right on like it was the same exact thread!
Sure wasn't Metric!
2nd. Gen are the same.
3rd. Gen are different barrel threads, but I think the screws might be the same. Not sure about that as I didn't try it.
However, if you need 1st. gen screws, it would be a crime to replace them with Italian made IMS ones. (Itsa My Screws)
You can get originals from Peacemaker Specialists, and others.
http://www.peacemakerspecialists.com/
rcmodel
jphendren
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I was reffering to the Colt's 1860 Army revolver, not the SAA. I want to order a Uberti wedge, wedge screw, and cylinder to use in my 2nd gen. 1860 but am unsure if they will fit. I know that Phantom Captain has installed a Uberti cylinder in his, so I am somewhat sure that the cylinder will fit.
I went to a place here in Las Vegas that supposedly had Uberti wedge screws, they didn't even look like the original in this 2nd gen. Colt 1860. But I'm not sure he had genuine Uberti screws either.
I went to a place here in Las Vegas that supposedly had Uberti wedge screws, they didn't even look like the original in this 2nd gen. Colt 1860. But I'm not sure he had genuine Uberti screws either.
K.A.T.
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Uberti Screws and Wedge
The Uberti screws and wedge will work in the Colts. I have used them in the 1860 and the Walker.
The Uberti screws and wedge will work in the Colts. I have used them in the 1860 and the Walker.
Tommygunn
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rcmodel said:
K.A.T. said:
Hey I warned you guys not to take me seriously!
But I actually recall something from Uberti itself claiming their parts will fit originals except they used metric thread screws and originals used english ... so they said. I don't know, I guess their word on it was ... not ... quit ... accurate.....:banghead:
I have given up trying to understand this descrepancy.
Bad Flynch
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Sometimes, you simply have to know about the companies with which you are dealing. Initially, I think that some companies used metric near-misses for those things. However, at some time those companies (particularly Pedersoli and Uberti) became obsessed with making very accurate reproductions.
This concern for historical accuracy and detail has, on occasion, led me to pulling out hair. For example, I had an early Pedersoli Sharps and it was a nice rifle. However, when I went to put a tang peep sight on it, one of the screws supplied with the sight took off acrose the shop and I found that I needed a screw for mounting. Great, but it turned out to be the original thread of 10-28 that Sharps used. That is great for historical detail, but have you ever tried to get a 10-28 screw locally? Don't waste your time.
Well, I found a metric near-miss that would engage for about 4 threads before it bound up, so that got me through until one got here from the manufacturer.
BTW, Pedersoli copied Sharps' non-standard sight dovetails, too, and that was also a PITA.
This concern for historical accuracy and detail has, on occasion, led me to pulling out hair. For example, I had an early Pedersoli Sharps and it was a nice rifle. However, when I went to put a tang peep sight on it, one of the screws supplied with the sight took off acrose the shop and I found that I needed a screw for mounting. Great, but it turned out to be the original thread of 10-28 that Sharps used. That is great for historical detail, but have you ever tried to get a 10-28 screw locally? Don't waste your time.
Well, I found a metric near-miss that would engage for about 4 threads before it bound up, so that got me through until one got here from the manufacturer.
BTW, Pedersoli copied Sharps' non-standard sight dovetails, too, and that was also a PITA.
jphendren
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I ordered a Uberti wedge and wedge screw last night from VTI Gunparts. I almost ordered a new cylinder but decided not to for now as you also need to buy the nipples seperate and I don't have a nipple wrench to install them.
Gaucho Gringo
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So, buy a nipple wrench. They cost only around $5.00 and you will need it for cleaning anyway. Every time I clean my revolver after shooting I pull the nipples for cleaning. I am going to have to make a nipple holder like DuncaninFrance made.
jphendren
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Ubert wedge screw and wedge, no fit.
The wedge is slightly too wide and the screws are too long by about 1.5mm. If you own a 2nd generation Colt, you better hang it above the fireplace. I guess these were not intended to be fired.
Are the signature series any better? Has anybody tried Uberti parts in those?
Jared
Ubert wedge screw and wedge, no fit.
The wedge is slightly too wide and the screws are too long by about 1.5mm. If you own a 2nd generation Colt, you better hang it above the fireplace. I guess these were not intended to be fired.
Are the signature series any better? Has anybody tried Uberti parts in those?
Jared
jphendren - you give up far too easily. The discrepancies you describe affect Uberti guns as well; these are not precision made parts. The wedge may have been made by a completely different manufacturer than the one Uberti used years ago, and the wedge may not fit a Uberti gun either.
You never did say why you need to replace the Colt wedge and wedge screw....if the Uberti screw is too long (which makes no sense - mine is very short) just use the Colt original, if you still have it.
Use a file to make the wedge a bit narrower (go slowly, a little bit at a time) and reblue with some Birchwood Casey cold blue paste when it fits.
Or send it back and ask for another.
You never did say why you need to replace the Colt wedge and wedge screw....if the Uberti screw is too long (which makes no sense - mine is very short) just use the Colt original, if you still have it.
Use a file to make the wedge a bit narrower (go slowly, a little bit at a time) and reblue with some Birchwood Casey cold blue paste when it fits.
Or send it back and ask for another.
jphendren
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I ordered these parts to spare the original parts wear and tear; due to them being manipulated every time you shoot the gun. The wedge starts into the slot but gets stuck, the original slips right in with a little tap from a plastic hammer. The wedge screw is about 1.5mm longer than the original which is very short; again the screw starts in smooth but stops short of fully screwing in.
I didn't figure that I would have to fit a screw for it to work, I thought that they were all made the same length.
I can't send the wedge back now as the end that goes in first has a little blue rub from trying to insert it in the barrel slot. The original wedge is still in good shape but I've read that they get destroyed over time from shooting the gun. I don't know if this is true or not, I'm not shooting a very heavy load (25gr of FFFG)
I didn't figure that I would have to fit a screw for it to work, I thought that they were all made the same length.
I can't send the wedge back now as the end that goes in first has a little blue rub from trying to insert it in the barrel slot. The original wedge is still in good shape but I've read that they get destroyed over time from shooting the gun. I don't know if this is true or not, I'm not shooting a very heavy load (25gr of FFFG)
Parts wear if you use them, and people use hyperbole on internet forums without thinking of the effects it has. 'Destroyed' is a bit of an overstatement. I've been shooting Uberti and Pietta and Euroarms c&b revolvers for over 30 years. I've never 'destroyed' a wedge (nor have I ever seen one that was 'destroyed' by anyone else). And I've very rarely removed a wedge screw, so it gets no 'wear and tear' at all. I have received mismarked parts - that's not at all uncommon. So rather than hang the gun on the wall with the comment that it wasn't intended to be fired, I suggest you look for a way to make it work.
I have corresponded with people who were disappointed that replacement parts needed some fitting in order to work, or that a new gun required some break-in, but this is the first time I've heard of someone hanging up a perfectly good new gun because spare parts that he didn't need from another supplier weren't perfect fits.
Neither the original Colts, nor the Second & Third Generation Colts, nor any of the current crop of replica Colts are precision made on nc mills. And suppliers make mistakes in sending parts that don't fit. Frankly, part of the fun of this avocation is tinkering with the hardware. Expect it and you'll enjoy it a lot more. And use just a few grains of salt with what you read on these boards, especially when strong language is used.
I have corresponded with people who were disappointed that replacement parts needed some fitting in order to work, or that a new gun required some break-in, but this is the first time I've heard of someone hanging up a perfectly good new gun because spare parts that he didn't need from another supplier weren't perfect fits.
Neither the original Colts, nor the Second & Third Generation Colts, nor any of the current crop of replica Colts are precision made on nc mills. And suppliers make mistakes in sending parts that don't fit. Frankly, part of the fun of this avocation is tinkering with the hardware. Expect it and you'll enjoy it a lot more. And use just a few grains of salt with what you read on these boards, especially when strong language is used.
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