Zak Smith
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1x dots are now Limited/Tac-Iron legal at some matches, e.g. RM3G.
We shoot in Pueblo where the average shot is about 250-275 yards with the long shots being 400-450.
True, true. I was referring mostly to Tac-Optic division.1x dots are now Limited/Tac-Iron legal at some matches, e.g. RM3G.
Hi everybody, this is my first post in the competition shooting section.
I've recently found the sport of 3 gun shooting in some American Rifleman magazines, and on 3 gun nation when it was being aired. This is a sport that I would like to be equipped for within the year, I've decided on the shotgun (Winchester SX3 with 10 round magazine extension) and the pistol (Walther P99 40 AS). However, I'm stuck on the rifle. I was considering an AK-47 or AK-74 but then I found out that competitions can reach out to 200 yards, so I've decided not to get one for competition shooting. I'm looking at The Ruger SR-556 and the LWRC M6A2, both in 6.8 SPC with an EOtech 557.G23FTS weapons sight. Is the LWRC worth the extra $500-750? Does the 6.8 SPC bring in too much power? any other suggestions?
Thanks for the input!
I had an opportunity to look at an S&W MP-15 over the weekend. I thought it was pretty light and also basic, which is where I'm trying to stay. This'll be my first ar-15, and there's a lot to learn about them from my standpoint. I've been looking at Ruger since they make nice firearms, but I've never used one of their semi-autos asides from a 10/22. I found LWRC reading a review about the REPER in the On Target magazine, and after reading some reviews and watching their testing on You Tube; I'm REALLY impressed with their products just from that.For 3-gun there is no real reason to run a 6.8. Then again, if you dont mind the ammo cost there is no real reason NOT to run it.
I would not get an AK for 3-gun. If you already had an AK I would say run it for a while just for fun, but if you are getting a new rifle I would say, get an AR.
I have done four or five 3-gun matches with my Mini 14 and found that it is fine for the stuff I do, but all of our stuff is 100yds or less. If we were going past 100yds I would get smoked by the more accurate AR's.
You dont really need to spend a lot of money either. Smith and Wesson, Delton, and DPMS (and others) make AR's that run about 700$ now and all of them are serviceable for 3-gun. One of the best upgrades I have seen is a decent muzzle brake, and those are not expensive.
As others have stated, get yourself a low-powerd optic, 1-4X and then practice up.
Nothing wrong with the Ruger SR556 or the LWRC for 3-gun except that they are kind of heavy and you dont really need the gas-piston setup. You would do just as well with a base model S&W Sport, with a muzzle brake and a decent optic (and would have more money left in your wallet).
The important thing is to get something decent, then test it out thoroughly. Test your Optic, mags, mag holders, ammo, rifle. Test it all and get your setup wired.
That's my $0.02
I had an opportunity to look at an S&W MP-15 over the weekend. I thought it was pretty light and also basic, which is where I'm trying to stay. This'll be my first ar-15, and there's a lot to learn about them from my standpoint. I've been looking at Ruger since they make nice firearms, but I've never used one of their semi-autos asides from a 10/22. I found LWRC reading a review about the REPER in the On Target magazine, and after reading some reviews and watching their testing on You Tube; I'm REALLY impressed with their products just from that.
I received a PM from Holy Driver, he has a white oak 18” upper with stainless barrel, 1/7 twist, and a rifle length gas system, and is capable of 2inch groups at 300 yards! Just wondering what the opinions are on it.
I have a question on the upper and lower receivers. As I do not own an AR-15 (yet) I was wondering if you need one before you can put an upper on it (same question for lowers as well) in order for it to function properly? Is it like having a frame to a semi auto pistol, with the slide assembly, but not trigger and firing group? Thanks for clearing this up!
Limited lifetime warranty on it, can't beat that, and the $700 price tag! Still will take a while to save up with the expense of school, but I'll get the cash eventually , and I'll post pics too. It also looks like there aren't many matches during the winter time, so it'll give me something to save up for. Have a question about the A2 post sights. The rear sight looks detachable, but is the front as well? If it doesn't does it block the sight picture with an optic?I recommended the S&W AR because I know someone who has one and it is a good performer. The S&W M&P15 Sport has gotten decent reviews in the articles I have read. Its cheap, but is made by a reputable mfg and comes with a good warranty.
Basic is good when you are starting out. You can always upgrade later, but if you want light and basic, the Ruger SR556 is not it, and neither is the LWRC. Both are good guns, but not light, basic or cheap. (NOTE: the LWRC is lighter than the Ruger by about 1lb, 7.2lb vs the 8lb Ruger)
As to your question about Uppers and Lowers on AR15's this is the lowdown:
Generally speaking an Upper from Company A will fit the Lower from Company B without fitting or modifications. Once you have a lower receiver you can generally mount any upper you want. From a legal point of view, the Lower is The Gun, the upper is just Parts. This is why you can order a complete upper and have it shipped directly to your house without going thru an FFL and background check.
So, suppose you were go get a cheap AR from Del-Ton, S&W, Spikes Tactical or someone else. You could run it for a while and if you found you wanted a more advanced setup, you can buy an upper from the Mfg of your choice (including LWRC, Ruger and others) and mount it right up to the lower from your El-Cheapo-Beginner AR. No problem.
You can get Stripped Lower Receivers which is the bare machined forged part to which you add your trigger group/parts kit, or you can get a complete lower fully assembled. Naturally a stripped lower with loose parts kit is usually less money than an assembled unit.
Same is true for an upper.
BTW, you can also get .22lr uppers that mate right up to your AR lower. You can also get conversion kits that let you run .22lr thru your .223Rem(5.56mm NATO) Upper. Good for cheap practice.
Good resources for you are the Del-ton website, AR15.com, and Brownells AR15 builder site.
BTW, the price you have to pay for all this free advice is that once you get your new AR you have to post pictures here to show us all.
Cheers,
S
....Have a question about the A2 post sights. The rear sight looks detachable, but is the front as well? If it doesn't does it block the sight picture with an optic?
Thanks again!